Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".
So it's dead simple to switch to Dnf. :D
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.
Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A
lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another.
Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of dependencies from multiple non standard sources) may be available precompiled for a particular distro, or dependencies may be easier to satisfy on certsin distros.
Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems,
and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There
was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Linux is literally my day job. :)
I'm a sysadmin for a large adtech company. I manage about 2000
physical server s and a couple hundred virtual ones.
dealing with Linux all day really has
killed my desire to ti nker with it in my free time. :)
On 08-16-20 13:28, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Yeah, if there's a package available there's going to be a .deb. The
AUR is super nice in Arch though. ---
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
Especially now with USB-C: you can get power, video, USB, memory card I/O, all in one little dongle.
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After
selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner. I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell, streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc, occasionally using my own copy of a
binary instead of the distro one (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
It's been some time since I tried to play with Arch, I keep meaning to go back to it, but honestly, dealing with Linux all day really has killed my desire to tinker with it in my free time. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
Cool, of course, I could even do:
ln -s dnf yum
from the directory dnf resides in.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
I even have software that not only had a .deb, but a complete apt repository, and some that are quite distribution specific - I had to
use Debian 9 to successfully install the AllStarLink RoIP system. The .debs would install on other distros like Ubuntu 18.04, but the source
for Dahdi (the drivers) wouldn't compile on Ubuntu.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
At home, I have the charger directly a usb + hdmi through my kvm at my desk, which does good enough. I'm using a single large monitor so it works well enough for my use lately.
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
calcmandan wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-
Yeah, that... religious war can be pretty rough sometimes. I also
prefer not to get myself involved in any zealotry when it comes to text editors. I always take the stance that: "I use what works for me!" and leave it at that.
Yeah. Surprisingly, there was never a similar debate on wysiwyg editors
in the html web days. I suppose those days didn't last long enough.
Daniel Traechin
On 08-18-20 21:15, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
It's a symlink to dnf!
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
Cool. If any questions, let me know.
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Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
Oh yes. What a thrill doing something like that is. A few months ago I dived head-first into Gentoo and suddenly a whole world of
customization was opened to me. I never imagined how these small tweaks would actually be beneficial on the long run but it did. Sadly, the
amount of time compiling packages really took a toll on me, haha! And I feel like I'm not yet smart enough to deal with stuff or maybe I'm just lazy to give up a weekend to just learn the stuff.
Right now I've pretty much integrated my whole setup around using bspwm and terminal applications. It's surprising to me actually how little
that I need to have to be able to use my computer productively (or not, haha!). Most of the time I'm just writing stuff and that's done through vim and I either compile it to LaTeX or groff. Other than that, most of the stuff that I have are scripts that I wrote to manage the system's functions like using dmenu as a power menu, display menu, mount menu,
etc. I think right now the only thing that I'm missing is the ability
to do spreadsheets, and while libreoffice does that I would like to do spreadsheets in the commandline.
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
Oh man. It IS a pain.
Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-
calcmandan wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to calcmandan <=-
Yeah, that... religious war can be pretty rough sometimes. I also
prefer not to get myself involved in any zealotry when it comes to text editors. I always take the stance that: "I use what works for me!" and leave it at that.
Yeah. Surprisingly, there was never a similar debate on wysiwyg editors
in the html web days. I suppose those days didn't last long enough.
Daniel Traechin
Yup, probably. Imagine some emacs and vim guys have been duking it out since the 80s, that's intergenerational warfare I tell you. Haha!
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.
over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
200Mbps to 400Mbps
Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.
digital man
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.
I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
the fiber
optics.
fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility
companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.
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