• 946 was heard what

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to RUTH HAFFLY on Saturday, June 30, 2018 23:30:12
    A couple days ago I was nauseated by a smoky
    room, and it transpired that some people had
    come the smoke-free space in with their clothing
    saturated in it.
    I've had that experience. We've opened the door to some supposed non
    smoking motel rooms and been greeted by a strong smell of smoke. Usually
    it's caused by the adjoining room(s) being smoking ones. So far, staff

    I was one of the designated adults at Teri Chesser's
    daughter Courtney's wedding, and among other things I
    had to arrange for the desmoking of the honeymoon
    suite, which had been seriously defiled by its
    previous occupants.

    has been able to move us to a better room but if that's not possible,
    we'll have to cancel a stay. The camper is our motel room on wheels but
    we can't take it everywhere.

    Have you ever had pushback from the hotel
    regarding a refund?

    Remember the days when smoking was allowed on
    planes? The smoking and nonsmoking sections
    were designated by a little movable sign, but
    the whole vehicle always reeked.
    Do I ever remember! Coming home from Berlin in July of 1992, flew Pan
    Am. They seated us about 2 rows up from the smoking section so asked if
    we could get moved. We did get moved up several rows but still had to
    put up with the smoke. I was having asthma problems that year so the
    smoke didn't help.

    If you got moved too far forward, you got the
    abundant fumes from first class, where they tended
    to exhibit significant chimneylike behavior.

    I've no problem with fresh, curing tobacco--smelled a lot of that
    when > we lived in coastal NC in the 70s/80s. It's when they add all
    the other > stuff to it that turns me off. Went thru Winston-Salem
    once in the late > 70s; the city smelled like an old cigarette. Was in the city a couple of > years ago and couldn't smell any tobacco.
    Fresh tobacco actually is a kind of okay smell.
    Agreed, it's when they add all the other stuff to it............

    Or turn the stuff into cigars, which is one
    of the most amazingly disgusting things ever
    deliberately concocted.

    but it should be equally easy to make a
    cake in the shape of a meatloaf.
    Simple--use a loaf pan for the basic shape, then sculpt and
    ice it. > ML> Make > the icing look like mashed potatoes, with a side of "ketchup". > ML> Figured.
    No, I won't make one for you.
    Pout.
    OK, if you really want me to, maybe some year for the picnic I will. (G)

    Maybe I'll reciprocate by making a meatloaf
    in the shape of a cake. What flavor would
    you like - carrot?

    Different people have different thresholds and
    criteria. I don't much care if stuff is slopped
    on the plate with gravy dripping off the side
    (better that than having it wiped off with a
    much-used and probably mildewy-by-now cloth,
    the way restaurants tend to do things).
    I would like a neat plate, no gravy dripping off the side. It's an "I
    don't care, just get the food out" attitude if it's sloppily plated in
    the kitchen. It means that the server has to put his/her fingers in the
    food being served--that wouldn't fly past the health department.

    If the servers wore gloves, that would satisfy
    the health inspectors.

    True, and there are relatives that I don't know that may appreciate having the new materials. Or, they may not; I don't know but presume
    the > former over the latter.
    Possible, but by that reasoning, you might as
    well give the stuff to the Mormons, who for
    various reasons treasure all such.
    We'd rather it stayed in the area where my g/grandfather lived/worked
    and with his other papers.

    So then it should.

    Maybe not, but our predecessors had no
    reason to believe that a letter of Beethoven
    would be so prized a hundred years thence.
    I was to know he would grow up to be Beethoven?
    He'd already grown up to be Beethoven. He died
    in 1827; we were born in 1837.
    OK, so the group got the papers relatively close to his death. He was important enough that they held on to them, but not great enough in
    their eyes, to want to keep the papers forever.

    They had something in common with current-day
    money managers. Short-term gain is everything.

    It generally won't happen for a while, but
    I just went to the library for something,
    and it had been put in the warehouse, and
    it turned out that it had even been moved
    from there to another more remote warehouse.
    As I'm leaving for Swisher's, I can't wait
    for the several days it would take to get
    the stuff out of stir.
    Guess you have to know far enough in advance to know you'll need it to
    put in the request for it. (G)

    Something like that.

    Buncombe County has been dragged into several
    putative etymologies I've seen, none of them
    convincing to me.
    I've yet to ascribe 100% credence to any statement of the sort.
    Heh, true enough.
    And probably not worthy of taking the time to check out most of the hot
    air you hear now.

    I can understand why some of my friends totally
    shy away from politics.

    Same with most of the state. I can go into a public place and not
    have > to worry about being able to breathe now.
    The old-time Carolinians would be shaking
    their heads in dismay. I sniff with relief,
    though
    We both breath a sigh of relief.

    Uh huh.

    Pipe tobacco smoked duck
    On the order of tea smoked duck?
    Pretty much. And for many people, pipe
    tobacco is the least objectionable kind
    of smoke.
    It doesn't smell as bad as some of the others in the pre burn stage.
    Once it's lit, it is a bit, but not much, less obnoxious. I try to stay
    clear of any kind of smoke, even wood smoke these days.

    Fair enough; but one still enjoys the
    effects of smoke in certain products.

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    Title: Lower East Side Lox
    Categories: Appetizers, Dips, Fish, Cheese/eggs, Vegetables
    Yield: 4 servings

    1 c Cream Cheese; Softened 1/2 c Sour Cream
    1/2 c Lox Or Smoked Salmon; Cubed 1/4 c Fresh Chives; Chopped,
    OR
    4 ts Dried Chives; Crushed 1/8 ts White Pepper
    1 ts Whipping Cream 2 tb Onion; White, Chopped

    Beat the cream cheese to a smooth consistency and blend in the sour
    cream.
    Mix in the lox thoroughly. Stir in all of the other ingredients. Cover
    and chill. Makes about 2 1/2 cups of dip. SUGGESTED DIPPERS: Bagel Chips,
    Tomatoes, Radishes, Cucumber, Scallions, and Figs. Source unknown

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Michael Loo on Monday, July 02, 2018 01:38:00
    On 06-30-18 23:30, Michael Loo <=-
    spoke to Ruth Haffly about 946 was heard what <=-

    I was one of the designated adults at Teri Chesser's
    daughter Courtney's wedding, and among other things I
    had to arrange for the desmoking of the honeymoon
    suite, which had been seriously defiled by its
    previous occupants.

    How does one desmoke a room?

    Fair enough; but one still enjoys the
    effects of smoke in certain products.

    Back when we both smoked, most smoke did not bother us. But now smokey
    rooms do bother us to some degree, although probably not as much as they
    would bother Ruth Haffly.

    OTOH, it has always wondered me why smokey rooms were unpleasant -- but
    smoked meat and cheeses tasted so good? Pretty sure it because of the
    purity of the smoke.


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Crockpot Savory Chicken And Vegetables (4 Points)
    Categories: Crockpot
    Yield: 4 servings

    8 Boneless, skinless chicken
    -thighs
    2 c Chicken broth
    1 ts Salt
    1/4 ts Pepper
    8 oz Pearl onions
    6 sl Bacon -- cooked and
    -crumbled
    2 Cloves garlic -- finely
    -chopped
    -Bouquet Garni -- See below
    1 1lb bag baby-cut carrots
    1 lb Small whole button
    -mushrooms
    2 tb Gold Medal all-purpose
    -flour
    2 tb Cold water

    Place chicken in 5 to 6 quart slow cooker. Add remaining ingredients
    except mushrooms, flour and water. Cover and cook on low heat
    setting 8 to 10 hours or until juice of chicken is no longer pink
    when centers of thickest pieces are cut. Remove any fat from
    surface. Remove Bouquet Garni. Stir in mushrooms. Mix flour and
    water; stir into chicken mixture. Cover and cook on high heat setting
    30 minutes or until thickened.

    For Bouquet Garni: Tie 4 sprigs parsley, 2 bay leaves and 1 teaspoon
    dried thyme leaves in cheesecloth bag or place in tea ball.

    Per Serving: 46 Calories; 3g Fat; 3g Protein; 2g Carbohydrate; trace
    Dietary
    Fiber; 4mg Cholesterol; 601mg Sodium.
    NOTES : Weight Watcher's Points: 4
    Converted to MM format by Dale and Gail Shipp, Columbia Md.

    MMMMM



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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Sunday, July 01, 2018 20:01:28
    Hi Michael,

    I've had that experience. We've opened the door to some supposed non smoking motel rooms and been greeted by a strong smell of smoke.
    Usually > it's caused by the adjoining room(s) being smoking ones. So
    far, staff

    I was one of the designated adults at Teri Chesser's
    daughter Courtney's wedding, and among other things I
    had to arrange for the desmoking of the honeymoon
    suite, which had been seriously defiled by its
    previous occupants.

    Hopefully you were able to get it done before the newlyweds got there.
    It is hard tho, when the smoke residue gets into the curtains, rug,
    bedding, etc. Don't know how long it takes to build up a noticeable
    smell but if I smell even a hint of it, we need to change rooms.


    has been able to move us to a better room but if that's not
    possible, > we'll have to cancel a stay. The camper is our motel room
    on wheels but > we can't take it everywhere.

    Have you ever had pushback from the hotel
    regarding a refund?

    They've always given us another room instead. Some day we're going to
    strike out and they will have no other rooms available; I'll let you
    know then what recourse is offered/taken.


    Remember the days when smoking was allowed on
    planes? The smoking and nonsmoking sections
    were designated by a little movable sign, but
    the whole vehicle always reeked.
    Do I ever remember! Coming home from Berlin in July of 1992, flew
    Pan > Am. They seated us about 2 rows up from the smoking section so
    asked if > we could get moved. We did get moved up several rows but
    still had to > put up with the smoke. I was having asthma problems
    that year so the
    smoke didn't help.

    If you got moved too far forward, you got the
    abundant fumes from first class, where they tended
    to exhibit significant chimneylike behavior.

    We were moved maybe 4-6 rows up. Considering we'd been in the 2nd row
    from the smoking section, we didn't have to worry about the smokers in
    first class.

    I've no problem with fresh, curing tobacco--smelled a lot of
    that > ML> when > we lived in coastal NC in the 70s/80s. It's when
    they add all > ML> the other > stuff to it that turns me off. Went
    thru Winston-Salem > ML> once in the late > 70s; the city smelled
    like an old cigarette. Was in > ML> the city a couple of > years ago
    and couldn't smell any tobacco. > ML> Fresh tobacco actually is a
    kind of okay smell.
    Agreed, it's when they add all the other stuff to it............

    Or turn the stuff into cigars, which is one
    of the most amazingly disgusting things ever
    deliberately concocted.

    What's more amazing is that some people actually like to smoke them.

    but it should be equally easy to make a
    cake in the shape of a meatloaf.
    Simple--use a loaf pan for the basic shape, then
    sculpt and > ML> ice it. > ML> Make > the icing look like mashed potatoes, with a side > ML> of "ketchup". > ML> Figured.
    No, I won't make one for you.
    Pout.
    OK, if you really want me to, maybe some year for the picnic I will.
    (G)

    Maybe I'll reciprocate by making a meatloaf
    in the shape of a cake. What flavor would
    you like - carrot?

    Sounds good, but not this year. I need to plan it out, maybe do a test
    run or two. (G)

    Different people have different thresholds and
    criteria. I don't much care if stuff is slopped
    on the plate with gravy dripping off the side
    (better that than having it wiped off with a
    much-used and probably mildewy-by-now cloth,
    the way restaurants tend to do things).
    I would like a neat plate, no gravy dripping off the side. It's an
    "I > don't care, just get the food out" attitude if it's sloppily
    plated in > the kitchen. It means that the server has to put his/her fingers in the > food being served--that wouldn't fly past the health department.

    If the servers wore gloves, that would satisfy
    the health inspectors.

    Still sounds like a place I'd just as soon not visit, no matter what the ratings were.

    True, and there are relatives that I don't know that may
    appreciate > ML> > having the new materials. Or, they may not; I
    don't know but presume > ML> the > former over the latter.
    Possible, but by that reasoning, you might as
    well give the stuff to the Mormons, who for
    various reasons treasure all such.
    We'd rather it stayed in the area where my g/grandfather
    lived/worked > and with his other papers.

    So then it should.

    After we go thru it to figure out what all there is, and contact CPL to
    see if they're interested. The strong probability that there's a 4th (unpublished) book in raw form might entice them into accepting it.

    Maybe not, but our predecessors had no
    reason to believe that a letter of Beethoven
    would be so prized a hundred years thence.
    I was to know he would grow up to be Beethoven?
    He'd already grown up to be Beethoven. He died
    in 1827; we were born in 1837.
    OK, so the group got the papers relatively close to his death. He
    was > important enough that they held on to them, but not great enough
    in
    their eyes, to want to keep the papers forever.

    They had something in common with current-day
    money managers. Short-term gain is everything.

    Every generation seems to have those.

    and it had been put in the warehouse, and
    it turned out that it had even been moved
    from there to another more remote warehouse.
    As I'm leaving for Swisher's, I can't wait
    for the several days it would take to get
    the stuff out of stir.
    Guess you have to know far enough in advance to know you'll need it
    to > put in the request for it. (G)

    Something like that.

    And consider if it's important enough to take the time to run down.


    Buncombe County has been dragged into several
    putative etymologies I've seen, none of them
    convincing to me.
    I've yet to ascribe 100% credence to any statement of the
    sort. > ML> Heh, true enough.
    And probably not worthy of taking the time to check out most of the
    hot > air you hear now.

    I can understand why some of my friends totally
    shy away from politics.

    I try not to get too deep into them.

    Same with most of the state. I can go into a public place and
    not > ML> have > to worry about being able to breathe now.
    The old-time Carolinians would be shaking
    their heads in dismay. I sniff with relief,
    though
    We both breath a sigh of relief.

    Uh huh.

    Pipe tobacco smoked duck
    On the order of tea smoked duck?


    CONTINUED IN NEXT MESSAGE <<

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to MICHAEL LOO on Sunday, July 01, 2018 20:17:23
    Hi Michael,

    CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS MESSAGE <<

    Pretty much. And for many people, pipe
    tobacco is the least objectionable kind
    of smoke.
    It doesn't smell as bad as some of the others in the pre burn stage. Once it's lit, it is a bit, but not much, less obnoxious. I try to
    stay > clear of any kind of smoke, even wood smoke these days.

    Fair enough; but one still enjoys the
    effects of smoke in certain products.

    Yes, Steve has had various smokers now for close to 20 years. I've
    enjoyed foods that have come off of them.

    Title: Lower East Side Lox
    Categories: Appetizers, Dips, Fish, Cheese/eggs, Vegetables
    Yield: 4 servings


    Forget the fancy stuff--just give me a bagel, cream cheese and lox. (G)

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ruth Haffly on Tuesday, July 03, 2018 01:03:00
    On 07-01-18 20:01, Ruth Haffly <=-
    spoke to Michael Loo about 946 was heard what <=-

    Have you ever had pushback from the hotel
    regarding a refund?

    They've always given us another room instead. Some day we're going to strike out and they will have no other rooms available; I'll let you
    know then what recourse is offered/taken.

    It has been a very long time since we have been in a hotel/motel that
    allowed smoking in any of the rooms. Some have a posted $200 charge for
    those that do not follow that rule. Are you still running into smokey
    roomes?


    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Sour Cream Pot Roast
    Categories: Crockpot, Beef, Meat
    Yield: 1 servings

    3 lb Chuck or rump roast
    2 sl Bacon
    3/4 c Onion, chopped
    1 ts Salt
    1 Bay leaf
    1/4 ts Cumin
    1/8 ts Pepper
    1/2 c Sour cream
    3 tb Flour
    2 tb Parsley, fresh
    1 Hot, cooked egg noodles

    Cook bacon until crisp, drain, reserving drippings. Crumble bacon;
    refrigerate. Cut roast in half to fit in crock pot. Brown meat in
    bacon drippings; place in crock pot. Stir together onion, salt, bay
    leaf, cumin, pepper, 1/4 cup water; pour over meat. Cover and cook
    on low for 8-10 hours. Remove roast, discard bay leaf, and skim off
    fat from liquid. Pour liquid into sauce pan. Blend sour creme and
    flour; stir into hot liquid. Cook over medium heat, stirring until
    thickened; do not boil. Stir in parsley, season to taste. Serve meat
    garnished with bacon, and use gravy over the egg noodles.

    Posted By: Jim Himanga 5/92
    SOURCE: Unknown
    From: Jim Bodle

    MMMMM


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  • From Ruth Haffly@1:396/45.28 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, July 03, 2018 19:40:41
    Hi Dale,

    Have you ever had pushback from the hotel
    regarding a refund?

    They've always given us another room instead. Some day we're going to strike out and they will have no other rooms available; I'll let you
    know then what recourse is offered/taken.

    It has been a very long time since we have been in a hotel/motel that allowed smoking in any of the rooms. Some have a posted $200 charge

    More and more places are going non smoking but getting the smell out of
    fabric and paint is hard. I think some places still have a small number
    of smoking rooms available but they're getting scarce.


    for those that do not follow that rule. Are you still running into
    smokey
    roomes?

    Some non smoking rooms that still smell like somebody has smoked in
    them. Don't know if it's from a lack of thorough cleaning when they
    converted or that somebody did smoke in them after conversion.

    Title: Sour Cream Pot Roast
    Categories: Crockpot, Beef, Meat
    Yield: 1 servings

    Looks good!

    ---
    Catch you later,
    Ruth
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  • From Stephen Haffly@1:396/45.27 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 05, 2018 23:03:32
    Hi Dale,

    On (02 Jul 18) Dale Shipp wrote to Michael Loo...

    How does one desmoke a room?

    Febreeze does a credible job of reducing the stale smoke smell. I think
    though that professionals use an ozone generating device to oxydize the embedded smoke particles.

    Fair enough; but one still enjoys the
    effects of smoke in certain products.

    Back when we both smoked, most smoke did not bother us. But now
    smokey rooms do bother us to some degree, although probably not as
    much as they would bother Ruth Haffly.

    It bothers me quite a bit also.

    OTOH, it has always wondered me why smokey rooms were unpleasant --
    but smoked meat and cheeses tasted so good? Pretty sure it because of
    the
    purity of the smoke.

    I think it more the quantities and qualities of what is used to generate
    the smoke. Wood smoke can also be quite unpleasant when it is blowing
    toward one's eyes around a campfire, but in the very limited quanties it imparts a good flavor. If it is excessive, it generates creosote, which
    is very unpleasant. Tobacco contains compounds that are unpleasant also. Tobacco has been cultivated and crossbred to contain more and more
    nicotine, something hickory or mesquite or other hardwoods lack.

    Even the cheese we smoke needs to sit sealed for several weeks (if
    not months) before the harsh flavor disappears and it becomes good
    tasting.

    I bought some rhubarb so Ruth is going to make some of these tomorrow:

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm)

    Title: Oaty Rhubarb Streusel Bars
    Categories: American, Desserts
    Cooktime: 55 minutes
    Preparation Time: 25 minutes

    ---------------------------------BARS---------------------------------
    1 1/2 c quick-cooking rolled oats
    1 c all-purpose flour
    3/4 c packed brown sugar
    3/4 c butter
    1/4 c granulated sugar
    2 tb all-purpose flour
    1/2 t ground ginger
    2 c unsweetened sliced rhubarb, fresh or frozen
    1 tb finely chopped crystallized ginger (optional)

    -----------------------------GINGER ICING-----------------------------
    3/4 c powdered sugar
    1/4 t ground ginger
    4 t apricot nectar, orange juice, or milk



    Bar instructions:

    Preheat oven to 350 degrees F. Line 8x8x2-inch baking pan with heavy
    foil extended beyond pan edges.

    In large bowl stir together oats, the 1 cup flour, and brown sugar.
    Cut in butter until mixture resembles coarse crumbs. Set aside 1 cup
    oats mixture. Press remaining on bottom of prepared pan. Bake 25
    minutes.

    Meanwhile, in medium bowl stir together granulated sugar, 2
    tablespoons flour, and ground ginger. Add rhubarb; toss to coat.
    Spread on hot crust. Sprinkle reserved oats mixture; press lightly.

    Bake 30 to 35 minutes, until top is golden and filling is bubbly. Cool
    on rack. Drizzle icing, sprinkle crystallized ginger. Lift from pan;
    cut into bars. Store, covered, in refrigerator up to 2 days.


    Ginger Icing instructions:

    In small bowl stir together powdered sugar, ginger, and 3 to 4
    teaspoons apricot nectar, orange juice, or milk.


    Rating: 5/5 stars
    Source: Better Homes and Gardens, May 2008
    Nutrition Facts
    (Oaty Rhubarb Streusel Bars) Per serving:
    221 kcal cal.,
    10 g fat
    (5 g sat. fat,
    24 mg chol.,
    70 mg sodium,
    32 g carb.,
    1 g fiber,
    2 g pro.

    Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet


    MMMMM


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  • From Stephen Haffly@1:396/45.27 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 22, 2018 22:54:37
    Hi Dale,

    On (07 Jul 18) Dale Shipp wrote to Stephen Haffly...

    How long ago was it that the USArmy cut down on smoking in public
    places? I recall that when we were in England and had access to Class
    6 stores, cigarettes cost $1 per carton. Also true that decent German white wines were also $1 per bottle. But, that was more than 40 years ago.

    It was while we were at Fort Hood that indoor smoking was cut out. When
    we first got there, I worked in a facility with no windows. In the
    morning it smelled like a stale ash tray. When my shift was done, one
    almost needed a knife to cut his way through the smoke haze. I went home
    with my uniform reeking of cigarette smoke. I think it was sometime in
    late 1985 when indoor smoking was prohibited. I really appreciated it.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm)

    Title: Basil's Pain Au Levain
    Categories: French, Breads
    Cooktime: 1/2 hour
    Preparation Time: 4 hours 40 minutes

    2 c Levain (sourdough starter, 18 ounces)
    2 1/4 c water
    5 c whole wheat flour (or mix of flours)
    1 Tb fine sea salt


    Combine Levain (sourdough starter) and water (preferably filtered) in
    a bowl. Break up the Levain and mix well until partly dissolved and
    frothy.

    Add 1 cup of flour to this and stir well until combined

    Add sea salt and enough of the remaining flour until it is difficult
    to stir.

    Turn out onto a floured surface and knead, adding remaining flour as
    needed (total will be about 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 cups) until dough is firm
    and smooth. This will take about 15 minutes. A heavy duty mixer with a
    dough hook can be used also.

    Shape the dough into a ball. Clean and lightly oil the bowl in which
    the dough was mixed. Place the dough in the bowl and turn once to coat
    the dough with the oil. Cover with plastic wrap or a clean, damp towel
    and let rise in a moderately warm (78 to 80 degrees Fahrenheit), draft
    free place for two hours. It will increase in size about 25%.

    Punch down the dough and turn out onto a floured surface. Knead
    briefly, then divide the dough into two equal portions. Shape each
    into a ball and place on the floured board. Cover and let rest 30
    minutes.

    Shape the loaves by flattening and forming. Place each loaf into a
    floured couche with seam side up.

    Cover and let rise in a moderately warm draft-free place for two hours
    or until nearly doubled in volume. If an imprint remains when dough is
    pressed, it is ready.

    About 45 minutes to an hour before the end of the rising time, pre-
    heat the oven to 450 degrees Fahrenheit. The rack should be in the
    center of the oven. A baking stone should be on the rack.

    Sprinkle a baking peel with flour, cornmeal, or almond meal. Gently
    turn a loaf out of the couche onto the peel so the seam side is down.
    With a very sharp serrated knife or razor blade, make shallow cuts in
    the top of the loaf. If there is room on the peel, turn out the second
    loaf and score. If not, slide the first loaf onto the backing stone
    and then turn out the second loaf, score, and slide onto the baking
    stone.

    Spray the walls and floor of the oven with cold water to generate
    steam. Close the door to trap the steam and bake 3 minutes. Spray
    again and close the door. Bake for 25 to 30 minutes.

    To test, turn a loaf upside-down. Thump the bottom of the loaf with
    your finger. If it sounds hollow, it is done. If not, bake for an
    additional 5 minutes and test again.

    Remove from oven and cool on a rack completely before wrapping.


    Rating: 5/5 stars


    Source: Bread Alone

    If you do not have the couches or a baking stone I think you could
    divide the dough and place it in bread pans for the second rising.
    Bake on the rack and spray water in the oven to at least get the top
    crust to have the proper texture. If you have some small baskets, you
    can use a smooth tea towel or unbleached muslin to line them to use as
    couches. I do not know if a cookie sheet would work in place of the
    stone though. If that is all that is available, it could be sprinkled
    with flour, cornmeal, or almond meal. It could possibly be covered
    with baking parchment paper to keep the loaves from sticking to the
    metal cookie sheet also.


    Source was the Bread Alone: Bold Fresh Loaves From Your Own Hands by
    Daniel Leader and Judith Blahnik.
    Link: https://www.breadalone.com/
    Made multiple times with great results.

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    Regards,

    Stephen
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Stephen Haffly on Tuesday, July 24, 2018 02:26:08
    On 07-22-18 22:54, Stephen Haffly <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Smokey rooms <=-

    home with my uniform reeking of cigarette smoke. I think it was
    sometime in late 1985 when indoor smoking was prohibited. I really appreciated it.

    That is about the time that I quit smoking. I do not believe that
    smoking in the offices had yet been banned, but it was getting to be
    more and more socially unacceptable. A few years later, one had to go
    outside and at least x number of yards from any public entrance. Then
    later on, not on the campus at all.

    This recipe does not have a carb count, but I would expect that it might
    not be too high for you folks. I also suspect that it would be decent
    with any firm white fish, with pork chops or a number of other meats.

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

    Title: Alaska Halibut with Curried Apple Butter
    Categories: Seafood
    Yield: 4 Servings

    1/4 c Apple butter
    1/4 c Fat free mayonnaise
    1 Slice crisp, cooked bacon,
    Crumbled
    1 lg Shallot, thinly sliced
    1/2 t Curry powder
    4 (4 to 6 oz. each) Alaska
    Halibut steaks, thawed
    If necessary

    In small bowl, combine all ingredients except halibut until well
    blended. Line a baking sheet with aluminum foil. Paint the apple
    butter mixture on both sides of the steaks and place on prepared
    baking sheet. Broil 4-6 inches from heat source for 10 minutes per
    inch of thickness, measured at the thickest part, or until fish just
    flakes when tested with a fork.

    SOURCE: Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute

    From: Ed Thoma Date: 08-10-96
    Cooking

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