In your note to Dale about desmoking a room--you said that I didn't mind burning tobacco. Correction--curing tobacco is the smell I can take.
Burning tobacco, as in a cigarette, pipe, cigar, etc is a no go for me.

Whoops, brain typo I guess.

With the help of the hotel ozone machine, yes. My
major task was to browbeat maintenance into
installing the generator right away, then check
to make sure it was working, then to see or rather

We've used a spray called Citrus Magic to take smells out of a room.
Also, a vanilla candle will remove them but I doubt most hotels would
want a burning candle (or a bunch of them) in a room.

I've seen claims for various citrus oil products
but wonder if they're just obscurative the same way
most deodorizers are. Similarly vanilla candles,
vanilla being pretty powerful for the good and candles
being candles, sooty smelly things that they are.

sniff the result later. I also later on was on the
team that found their lost marriage license.

OOPS! Good thing it was found as it's often needed as proof of a name
change.

Oddly, my recollection is that Court actually did
change her name, despite being of a generation where
most in her cultural class kept their birth name
alive to some degree. In my home states, one can
change one's name to anything one wants, just so
there's no fraudulent intent.

It is hard tho, when the smoke residue gets into the curtains, rug, bedding, etc. Don't know how long it takes to build up a noticeable smell but if I smell even a hint of it, we need to change rooms.

As I said to Dale, I'm pretty sensitive but not
completely intolerant.

Seems the older I've gotten, the more sensitive I've become.

People change: my lactose intolerance has much
diminished this year, whereas my sensitivities
to noise and smoke, already substantial, have
become worse.

Someday we'll stay at a hotel unprotected by
status, and someday there will be such an issue,
and someday I too will report on what happened.

You are more apt to do so than we are. Is smoking still tolerated more
in Europe? I remember when we lived in Germany, there was no such thing
as a non smoking area in restaurants. We had to hope that the patrons at tables near us didn't light up while eating.

It seems to be more tolerated but also more
regulated - a model I rather endorse. My experience
is more in the Germanic and Nordic countries, though
- I understand that the Romance countries are a
different story.

Some crews would unfasten the curtain to give a
more democratic feel to the cabin, but I was
always happy when the barrier was there. Back in
those days I always was in the front of the back,
rather than the back of the front.

Except for the one trip, all our flying has been done in the main cabin.
The Army didn't pay for first class seats, maybe for generals, but not
us. When we flew on our own nickel we couldn't afford the first class
and didn't have enough upgrade points to qualify. Spent the few upgrade points we had on Hawaiian for round trip for me, one way for Steve (had
to buy one way ticket, plus taxes, fees, etc) when we went to the Big
Island.

The secret is that few pay for flying up front.
It's mostly companies and clients who take the
burden; and there are those who know how and take
the effort to work the system. In those olden
days, before I had the resources and knowhow, I
pretty much always flew with the normal people.

sense - as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a
cigar. There is that oral fixation going, though, and
as I say, most of the time a cigar is not just a cigar.

It's a stink weed. (G)

No denying that - we had guys (all but one of them
guys) puffing away on the porch after our picnic
yesterday, so the sensible ones retreated inside,
but then the smoke followed us in, and we had to
close the door, after which it still was smellable.

Does anyone at the picnic have a birthday near
picnic time? I might be tempted to make a birthday
meatloaf even if you don't bake a cake.

Don't know--my birthday is this month, Steve's is in October. Our
anniversary is in September, but not in the time frame of the picnic.

I'm jonesing for a meatloaf (hold the ketchup) right
now.

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Title: EASY SPICY MEAT LOAF
Categories: Meatloaf
Servings: 6

1 1/2 lb Ground beef 1 sm Can jalapeno peppers
1/2 lb Ground pork 1 sm Pack Monterey Jack
cheese
1 md Green bell pepper 1 sm Can spicy tomato sauce
1 md Onion 1 pk Meat loaf mix

In a large bowl,combine ground beef and pork.Cut up the pepper and onion
in
small chunks.Add to the meat mixture.Mix the meat loaf mix as directed on
package.Add to mixture and mix well.Place 1/2 of the mixture into a 9 x
12"
roasting pan.Open can of jalapeno peppers and clean out seeds.Place 3
good
size peppers on top of the mix in the pan.Cover with thin slices of
Monterey Jack cheese.Cover with remaining meat loaf mix.Place in oven @
350
degrees for 1 1/2 hours.Fifteen (15) minutes before done,pour tomato
sauce
over top.Serve with mashed potatoes,gravy and a green salad and hot
homemade bread. Source unknown

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Hi Michael,

In your note to Dale about desmoking a room--you said that I didn't

mind > burning tobacco. Correction--curing tobacco is the smell I can take.

Burning tobacco, as in a cigarette, pipe, cigar, etc is a no go for

me.

Whoops, brain typo I guess.

Understandable; we all have them. (G)

With the help of the hotel ozone machine, yes. My
major task was to browbeat maintenance into
installing the generator right away, then check
to make sure it was working, then to see or rather

We've used a spray called Citrus Magic to take smells out of a room. Also, a vanilla candle will remove them but I doubt most hotels

would > want a burning candle (or a bunch of them) in a room.

I've seen claims for various citrus oil products
but wonder if they're just obscurative the same way
most deodorizers are. Similarly vanilla candles,
vanilla being pretty powerful for the good and candles
being candles, sooty smelly things that they are.

Soy candles are a lot cleaner burning; they're our candles of choice if available. But, yes, both the citrus and vanilla do appear to deoderise
instead of masking a smell.

sniff the result later. I also later on was on the
team that found their lost marriage license.

OOPS! Good thing it was found as it's often needed as proof of a

name > change.

Oddly, my recollection is that Court actually did
change her name, despite being of a generation where
most in her cultural class kept their birth name
alive to some degree. In my home states, one can
change one's name to anything one wants, just so
there's no fraudulent intent.

I changed my name as well, do remember one of my sister's classmates
keeping her maiden name. But, she married later in life and had a law
business under her maiden name so I guess she figured it would be easier
to keep it..........

It is hard tho, when the smoke residue gets into the

curtains, rug, > ML> > bedding, etc. Don't know how long it takes to build up a noticeable > ML> > smell but if I smell even a hint of it,
we need to change rooms. > ML> As I said to Dale, I'm pretty
sensitive but not

completely intolerant.

Seems the older I've gotten, the more sensitive I've become.

People change: my lactose intolerance has much
diminished this year, whereas my sensitivities
to noise and smoke, already substantial, have
become worse.

Win some, lose some. At least you didn't have to play "1812 Overture"
this year. (G)

Someday we'll stay at a hotel unprotected by
status, and someday there will be such an issue,
and someday I too will report on what happened.

You are more apt to do so than we are. Is smoking still tolerated

more > in Europe? I remember when we lived in Germany, there was no
such thing > as a non smoking area in restaurants. We had to hope that
the patrons at > tables near us didn't light up while eating.

It seems to be more tolerated but also more
regulated - a model I rather endorse. My experience
is more in the Germanic and Nordic countries, though
- I understand that the Romance countries are a
different story.

We've not been over in so long...........would be nice if we could have
a meal in a fancy place without worry of cigarette (or other) smoke
drifting our way.

Some crews would unfasten the curtain to give a
more democratic feel to the cabin, but I was
always happy when the barrier was there. Back in
those days I always was in the front of the back,
rather than the back of the front.

Except for the one trip, all our flying has been done in the main

cabin. > The Army didn't pay for first class seats, maybe for
generals, but not > us. When we flew on our own nickel we couldn't
afford the first class > and didn't have enough upgrade points to
qualify. Spent the few upgrade > points we had on Hawaiian for round
trip for me, one way for Steve (had > to buy one way ticket, plus
taxes, fees, etc) when we went to the Big > Island.

The secret is that few pay for flying up front.
It's mostly companies and clients who take the
burden; and there are those who know how and take
the effort to work the system. In those olden
days, before I had the resources and knowhow, I
pretty much always flew with the normal people.

"Normal" people has always been the norm for our flying. Used to get a
choice of 2 entrees with real silverware at meal times, now we're doing
well to have something to drink and a snack, even on cross country
flights. The camper gives us more flexibility, even tho it takes longer
to get to the destination.

sense - as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a
cigar. There is that oral fixation going, though, and
as I say, most of the time a cigar is not just a cigar.

It's a stink weed. (G)

No denying that - we had guys (all but one of them
guys) puffing away on the porch after our picnic
yesterday, so the sensible ones retreated inside,
but then the smoke followed us in, and we had to
close the door, after which it still was smellable.

P U!

Does anyone at the picnic have a birthday near
picnic time? I might be tempted to make a birthday
meatloaf even if you don't bake a cake.

Don't know--my birthday is this month, Steve's is in October. Our anniversary is in September, but not in the time frame of the

picnic.

I'm jonesing for a meatloaf (hold the ketchup) right
now.

Are you in a place where you can make one? If so, go ahead and
make/enjoy it. (G)

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