• 153 food p'izening, mayo and eggs

    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to JIM WELLER on Tuesday, August 14, 2018 04:55:00
    Why do you think it's not okay to keep homemade
    mayo, but commercial mayo stays in the fridge next
    to forever? Real stuff lasts as long as Hellmann's.
    Not really. Commercial mayo contains EDTA, a preservative that
    prevents oxidation and therefore fat from going rancid.

    With a one- or two-yolk homemade mayo, rancidity
    shouldn't be an issue. Whenever I've made a batch, it
    gets used in a day or three at the most. But mustard
    seed should also act as an antioxidant and stabilizer
    in scratchmade mayo.

    Most food safety sites suggest a 7-10 day life, which is certainly
    overly cautious. I know from experience that properly refrigerated,
    it can last up to a month easily. It will eventually start to turn

    I've not had that depth of experience. Which
    reminds me - Rosemary keeps a big jar of
    Hellmann's in her fridge. Problem is that she
    was keeping it at 42F (5.5). Lilli's fridge was
    at 39F (about 4). My preference is 34F (about 1).
    What's relevant about that, well, when I'm in these
    places, I do the majority of the cooking and do in
    fact care about the quality of my ingredients, plus
    I have qualms about unnecessarily throwing food away;
    neither of these worthies is so concerned. We've
    worked out compromises, Rosemary's is now at 38F
    (about 3), Lilli's at 36 (about 2). In Rosemary's
    case it took a case of food poisoning - her
    granddaughter's farm sent a pound of frozen beef
    stew meat, and she let it sit and sit thawing in
    the fridge for a couple weeks(!) and then ate some.
    This led to a 24-hour bout of the runs and an
    accession to my demand that the temperature be
    lowered. Her excuse - "I only ate one cube of it!"

    yellow and develop a slightly rancid odour and taste. It can start

    I.e., becomes commercial mayo.

    going bad in a single day if left out though. It still won't

    Almost any moist food will go off shortly if
    left at room temperature.

    normally make you sick though as the lemon juice and/or vinegar
    effectively discourage bacterial growth.

    I have to admit that my own mayo when made for
    salads uses an extra dose of salt for that
    particular reason.

    Commercial mayo can last 3 or more months unopened and then at least
    2 more if kept refrigerated after opening.

    That's not a fully parallel comparison. Scratch-made
    mayo can't be unopened!

    The raw egg fctor is a canard - if you don't let
    the shell get in contact with your yolk, there's
    zero danger of the yolk being contaminated with
    Salmonella.
    The usual source of contamination is the egg shell coming into
    contact with chicken manure somewhere along the way from nest to
    table but eggs can (rarely) be contaminated internally when formed
    inside infected birds. The incidence is estimated to be about 1 in
    20,000 eggs and the acidity generally neutralizes the threat.

    Hey - that's way more than I'd expect. Poking
    around a bit, I found

    While external and internal contamination of commercial
    poultry eggs with Salmonella spp. was not found in this
    Korean study, internal contamination with Salmonella spp.
    may occur in 0.01% to 0.6% of all poultry shell eggs in
    the United States (8, 17). Even though internal and external
    contamination of shell eggs with Salmonella spp. were not
    detected in this study, shell eggs are not transported and
    sold under refrigerated conditions in Korea, and they could
    possibly cause foodborne illness.
    Prevalence of Salmonella spp. in Poultry Broilers and Shell
    Eggs in Korea. YUN HEE CHANG, Journal of Food Protection
    LXIII, 5 (2000) pp. 655-658

    Nevertheless, such interior egg yolk contamination is
    theoretically unlikely. Even under natural conditions,
    the rate of infection was very small (0.6% in a study of
    naturally contaminated eggs and 3.0% among artificially
    and heavily infected hens). - Wikipedia article on Salmonellosis

    So if 1 in 20000 eggs is contaminated, 0.6% of that is
    1 in 3 million-odd.

    you can wash your egg before breaking it
    That certainly reduces the odds of infection from a dirty shell.

    Should pretty much eradicate it.

    ... Pasteurization is murder! Won't someone think of the bacteria?

    I've always maintained that a logical approach would
    take into account the right to life of all critters,
    the line drawn by each of us as our conscience sees
    fit - nonhumans, nonprimates, nonmammals, non-warm-
    blooded, invertebrates, microscopics, or unicellulars.
    Not to mention nonanimals.

    Caution: the below contains murdered nutmeg children,
    soy sweat, maple tree blood, and fermented cane tears.

    Silk Nog Spiced Rum Punch
    Categories: vegan, holiday, booze
    Servings: 6

    32 oz Silk Nog
    12 oz spiced rum
    3 oz maple syrup
    1 whole nutmeg seed for garnish
    - optional, but pretty and delicious

    Pour all of the ingredients into a large pitcher
    and stir well. You can even whip it in a blender
    so that it becomes frothy.

    Chill and serve over ice, if desired.

    Grate some of the outer edge of the nutmeg over
    your cocktail using something like this zester.

    Note: this would be okay with Kahlua

    Ginny McMeans, Vegan in the Freezer
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