Society can't be perfectible until humans are. Whether
humans are or not is probably offtopic for here, as it
treads on both religious and political ground.

So, another topic to drop.

So many topics to drop, so little time.

as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
the one that preceded the colonials.

Which we're still fighting those battles, to some extent.

To a very great extent, though one hopes that
the long-term trajectory is positive.

We can hope, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

We can only nudge things gently in the direction
we think is right, but we mustn't nudge too much
or intrude into the rights of others lest our best
efforts be guaranteed to backfire.

And the sun will set on the British Empire.

Unless the Brits are smarter than they appear.

No comment; I've been reading a lot about the era of Henry VIII and
Queen Elizabeth I recently.

Which books in particular? Some scholars paint the
picture of Elizabeth I as a great and wise lady, qt
least the equal of her namesake today and with a ton
more actual power. I've not heard of many sympathetic
treatments of Henry, though.

Efficient budgeting is possible. I recently made
several meals where everyone was satisfied but there
were scanty to no leftovers. I admit that in the echo
picnic situation that might be a near-impossibility.

Seems so, and is it really worth trying to do? I'll probably do more of

It may be a little troublesome but is better than
wasting food.

my cooking on the front end of this year's gathering, maybe a couple of
sides for the picnic day itself.

I'll pick up pieces, likely not practicing
what I preach. In addition there may be that
galaktoboureko or something if Nancy reminds
me. Perhaps crackers, peanut butter, and squid?

bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that was

because > ML> Hah, that happened to me with the social security

number, and it was a mess.

Somtimes you get it right the first time, other times, it's a royal mess.

?? In this case it's been a royal pain.

Sorry to hear that.

Eh, it's an adventure.

I wonder whether Swisher's abdominal would would
have healed better or faster with a honey dressing.

Probably so, but too late to know now. The hole in the incision line
should be all filled in, within a week or so; glad I didn't need a restitching or super glue.

You should have seen this hole. It was, one could
say, of biblical proportions.

see or hear. Of course, I never had the urge
to encounter New Guinea headhunters, either.

Same here. (G)

I might almost rather see the headhunters.

As long as they've been well fed beforehand. (G)

I might almost rather see the headhunters.

Any trips planned to New Guinea in the near future?

One was suggested a few years ago, but the problem
nowadays is that the medical facilities in Port
Moresby are not up to twentieth-century standards.

Mama bears are a bit of an exception. More typical
is the mama grouse or duck who pretends to be
injured to draw a predator's attention away from
the kids.

That seems to be a typical bird ploy; I've read abou other species doing
it as well.

I'd guess that emus, ostriches, and cassowaries are
more likely to adopt the mama bear strategy, but
birds tend to be small and relatively defenseless.

We had the milk box too. But, once Mom started working, the milk man would come inside and put the milk into the fridge. Small town,

nobody > at that time locked doors so he could do that.
Sometimes I too am nostalgic for those days.

Parts of them would be nice to re-live, other parts, I'd just as soon
rather forget.

That's true of every period. Even yesterday.

Does that mean I'll have to hull and scrub the wheat
by hand?

No, we sift it and then run it thru the mill.

Yeah, but for that recipe and most recipes I make
white flour is a given.

We can get some, but somebody will take it home.

Dale and Gail, I nominate you. Unless Sean
wants it.

Use it often, keep it in the fridge when not using it.

The yeasts still mutate, and often the mutations
make them weaker or worse tasting - anyhow, less
useful for the baker.

Ours has kept well, don't know what we're doing right (or wrong).

Controlled storage temperature? Keeping it covered
between uses? Luck?

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I wonder whether Swisher's abdominal would would
have healed better or faster with a honey dressing.

Probably so, but too late to know now. The hole in the incision line

Sorry, missed this. When I got back to Anchorage and got into the wound clinic* they, OK she, did use medical honey as part of the process.

*Although I'd gotten a referal, before leaving Lake Havasu, the wound clinic said it had to be a local one. So I wandered down to the ER. There the Doctor
repeated what another two had pretty much said, "WOW! Say, do you mind if I take a photo of that?" Tamped the batting in, and tada! I had my local referal.

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Hi Michael,

So many topics to drop, so little time.

This one is now deleted.

as was necessary in Europe just ran roughshod over
the one that preceded the colonials.

Which we're still fighting those battles, to some extent.

To a very great extent, though one hopes that
the long-term trajectory is positive.

We can hope, but I'm not holding my breath on it.

We can only nudge things gently in the direction
we think is right, but we mustn't nudge too much
or intrude into the rights of others lest our best
efforts be guaranteed to backfire.

Which wouldn't be a pretty sight.

And the sun will set on the British Empire.

Unless the Brits are smarter than they appear.

No comment; I've been reading a lot about the era of Henry VIII and Queen Elizabeth I recently.

Which books in particular? Some scholars paint the
picture of Elizabeth I as a great and wise lady, qt
least the equal of her namesake today and with a ton
more actual power. I've not heard of many sympathetic
treatments of Henry, though.

A couple by Philippa Gregory on Henry's wives, one on QEI by (IIRC),
Alison Wier. That one was quite interesting. A friend just loaned me
"The Secret Token Myth, Obsession and the Search for the Lost Colony of Roanoke' by Andrew Lawlar--it'll be interesting to see what that has to
say about the queen as well.

Efficient budgeting is possible. I recently made
several meals where everyone was satisfied but there
were scanty to no leftovers. I admit that in the echo
picnic situation that might be a near-impossibility.

Seems so, and is it really worth trying to do? I'll probably do more

of

It may be a little troublesome but is better than
wasting food.

Very much so!

my cooking on the front end of this year's gathering, maybe a couple

of > sides for the picnic day itself.

I'll pick up pieces, likely not practicing
what I preach. In addition there may be that
galaktoboureko or something if Nancy reminds
me. Perhaps crackers, peanut butter, and squid?

I'd most likely try the crackers, have eaten squid (as calamari and in
fish stew) but will take a pass on the peanut butter.

bill for all the surgery, radiation, MTI, etc and that

was > ML> because > ML> Hah, that happened to me with the social security > ML> > ML> number, and it was a mess.

Somtimes you get it right the first time, other times, it's a

royal > ML> > mess.

?? In this case it's been a royal pain.

Sorry to hear that.

Eh, it's an adventure.

In frustration?

I wonder whether Swisher's abdominal would would
have healed better or faster with a honey dressing.

Probably so, but too late to know now. The hole in the incision line should be all filled in, within a week or so; glad I didn't need a restitching or super glue.

You should have seen this hole. It was, one could
say, of biblical proportions.

The honey or sugar may well have helped. I presume it finally filled in?

I might almost rather see the headhunters.

As long as they've been well fed beforehand. (G)

I might almost rather see the headhunters.

Any trips planned to New Guinea in the near future?

One was suggested a few years ago, but the problem
nowadays is that the medical facilities in Port
Moresby are not up to twentieth-century standards.

You and your travelling companions would prefer the medical facilities
be at least to that standard, if needed. Better later 20th century also.

Mama bears are a bit of an exception. More typical
is the mama grouse or duck who pretends to be
injured to draw a predator's attention away from
the kids.

That seems to be a typical bird ploy; I've read abou other species

doing > it as well.

I'd guess that emus, ostriches, and cassowaries are
more likely to adopt the mama bear strategy, but
birds tend to be small and relatively defenseless.

Defenseless but able to strategise a good diversion.

We had the milk box too. But, once Mom started working, the

milk man > ML> > would come inside and put the milk into the fridge. Small town, > ML> nobody > at that time locked doors so he could do
that.

Sometimes I too am nostalgic for those days.

Parts of them would be nice to re-live, other parts, I'd just as

soon > rather forget.

That's true of every period. Even yesterday.

Sometimes yes, sometimes not.

No, we sift it and then run it thru the mill.

Yeah, but for that recipe and most recipes I make
white flour is a given.

We can get some, but somebody will take it home.

Dale and Gail, I nominate you. Unless Sean
wants it.

We'll see. (G)

Use it often, keep it in the fridge when not using it.

The yeasts still mutate, and often the mutations
make them weaker or worse tasting - anyhow, less
useful for the baker.

Ours has kept well, don't know what we're doing right (or wrong).

Controlled storage temperature? Keeping it covered
between uses? Luck?

We keep it loosely covered in a glass jar (glass top to the jar as well)
and try to use it on a regular basis.

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Catch you later,
Ruth
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