Dunno.... sometimes truth truly is stranger than fiction... fiction has
to be at least somewhat believable... truth is what it is... :)

True - some amazing real events are too improbable-
sounding to sell copy or views.

Yup.

Truth being at least as strange as fiction and all that.

Kreisler messed with the heads of his naysayers
by including real pieces by Gluck and Mozart in
the mix.

That would further... ;)

The Gluck song was from Orpheus, so a real piece of
music. The Mozart was the whole rondo from the
Haffner serenade, which wasn't well known at the
time and not exactly Mozart's most outstanding piece.
Kreisler sort of ripened the harmonies a little,
but not that much compared to what he made from
whole cloth in the case of those other composers.

Apparently... and then incensed when it did come out... He was right
about one thing, the works would be better received if attributed to other, established, composers than if he put them out as his own... even though they did have sufficient merit on their own...

He wasn't famous when he pulled the stunt. It
might have been to sell his pieces or a ploy
to sell himself.

Probably some of each... :)

Likely. Hard to tell someone's motivations
from a century's distance.

I once appended my entire primary recipe file, some
20000 lines, to an echo message. It went through
some places and not others; to my knowledge it
didn't break anything too seriously.

As I recall, the worst it would do would be that the too-long message
either was chopped at the limit, or was totally scrapped, not to
propagate past that point for that branch....

The message propagated at least partway in a
substantially massive state; Dale, then the moderator,
sent a note about it but said there was no permanent
damage done except perhaps to my reputation for
intelligence.

Yep. I'm sticking with a semi-enforced 100-line
preference and 200-line de facto limit.

Some rather large messages recently came through Inet lately.... the
largest was 350+ lines... I still prefer to keep things under 200
myself, and closer to 100 (a little over doesn't seem to matter) when
I'm answering Ruth Haffly) to avoid triggering her software's message splitting...

It triggers when we've done a couple rounds with
substantial quoting. I try to keep the context
clear, but at some point the messages get unwieldy.
As you've seen, I try to avoid addressing a whole
day's stuff to just one person, so sometimes I play
games splitting or consolidating messages as I see
fit. Sometimes it actually works okay.

... Sorry, my taglines are in a box somewhere.

No, they're not.

How ever could you tell.... (G)

On its flight manifests, United used to have
these designations (not for public eyes) -
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&
$full fare first class$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&
or
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&&
$Premier 100K flier$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boxed instructions.... was that to make the steward/ess more deferential
to the passenger....?

In the olden days, with those dot-matrix and thermal
printers and fanfold paper, the designations were boxed
in dollar signs, sort of crass. I looked at the screen
(still green a couple years ago) at one gate in Austin
and on that system at least the $ signs were replaced
by something more neutral. On the ground the agents use
the information to manage upgrades and stuff like that,
but most of that is automated now, and the ground
personnel have less need to notice such things. In the
air, United at least is supposed to treat me better than
they treat other people, but the attendants' iPhones have
an app that tells them how nice to be.

Espresso Barbecue Sauce by Aaron Franklin
categories: celebrity, sauce, Texas
yield: 2 c

1 1/2 c ketchup
1/2 c white vinegar
1/2 c cider vinegar
1/4 c dark soy sauce
1 Tb garlic powder
1 Tb onion powder
1/4 c brown sugar
3 Tb freshly pulled espresso
Brisket drippings, for flavoring

Mix the ketchup, both vinegars, the soy sauce,
garlic and onion powders, and sugar together
in a saucepan and bring to a simmer over
medium heat, stirring occasionally. Remove
from the heat, stir in the espresso, and
then add the brisket drippings to taste.
Let cool, then transfer to a jar, bottle,
squeeze bottle, or however you want to
store it. Store in the refrigerator for
up to 2 weeks.

Franklin Barbecue
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Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 06-11-19 09:40 <=-

Kreisler messed with the heads of his naysayers
by including real pieces by Gluck and Mozart in
the mix.

That would further... ;)

The Gluck song was from Orpheus, so a real piece of
music. The Mozart was the whole rondo from the
Haffner serenade, which wasn't well known at the
time and not exactly Mozart's most outstanding piece.
Kreisler sort of ripened the harmonies a little,
but not that much compared to what he made from
whole cloth in the case of those other composers.

After all, he was an accomplished violinist... maybe not a Pagannini,
but people enjoyed listening to him... :)

Apparently... and then incensed when it did come out... He was right about one thing, the works would be better received if attributed to other, established, composers than if he put them out as his own... even though they did have sufficient merit on their own...

He wasn't famous when he pulled the stunt. It
might have been to sell his pieces or a ploy
to sell himself.

Probably some of each... :)

Likely. Hard to tell someone's motivations
from a century's distance.

I've heard classical announcers talk about it... some citing interviews
from the era...

I once appended my entire primary recipe file, some
20000 lines, to an echo message. It went through
some places and not others; to my knowledge it
didn't break anything too seriously.

As I recall, the worst it would do would be that the too-long message
either was chopped at the limit, or was totally scrapped, not to
propagate past that point for that branch....

The message propagated at least partway in a
substantially massive state; Dale, then the moderator,
sent a note about it but said there was no permanent
damage done except perhaps to my reputation for
intelligence.

And thankfully, it didn't happen again... or there would have been more
damage done to your rep... (G)

Yep. I'm sticking with a semi-enforced 100-line
preference and 200-line de facto limit.

Some rather large messages recently came through Inet lately.... the
largest was 350+ lines... I still prefer to keep things under 200
myself, and closer to 100 (a little over doesn't seem to matter) when
I'm answering Ruth Haffly) to avoid triggering her software's message splitting...

It triggers when we've done a couple rounds with
substantial quoting. I try to keep the context
clear, but at some point the messages get unwieldy.
As you've seen, I try to avoid addressing a whole
day's stuff to just one person, so sometimes I play
games splitting or consolidating messages as I see
fit. Sometimes it actually works okay.

Yup. :)

On its flight manifests, United used to have
these designations (not for public eyes) -
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&
$full fare first class$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&
or
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$&&
$Premier 100K flier$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boxed instructions.... was that to make the steward/ess more deferential
to the passenger....?

In the olden days, with those dot-matrix and thermal
printers and fanfold paper, the designations were boxed
in dollar signs, sort of crass. I looked at the screen
(still green a couple years ago) at one gate in Austin
and on that system at least the $ signs were replaced
by something more neutral. On the ground the agents use
the information to manage upgrades and stuff like that,
but most of that is automated now, and the ground
personnel have less need to notice such things.

Just as well... :) On my computer, some applications replace one
(probably hi-ASCII) symbol with another symbol... sometimes it's a
dollar sign... far as I know there's no ulterior motivation for the replacement.... ;)

In the air, United at least is supposed to treat me better
than they treat other people, but the attendants' iPhones
have an app that tells them how nice to be.

And does it work out to be treated better....?

ttyl neb

... Refrigerator: A place to store food before you throw it away.

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