• Gating issue

    From Wilfred van Velzen@1:229/2 to Richard Fairman on Friday, September 27, 2019 13:30:37
    From: nospam.Wilfred.van.Velzen@f464.n280.z2.binkp.net

    Hi Paul,

    On 2019-09-27 04:05:33, Richard Fairman wrote to All:

    @MSGID: <6c720b40-bf99-4096-86bb-8dcf1caedf50@googlegroups.com> b767db95 @REPLY: <540b941b-cbfb-4255-873a-348d38438333@googlegroups.com> c20d5cbe @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Richard Fairman@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 27, 2019 05:13:58
    From: acampb5160@gmail.com

    I've reinstalled win 10 chrome

    Still the same problem

    Richard

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  • From Richard Fairman@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 27, 2019 05:17:20
    From: acampb5160@gmail.com

    Thanks for that I've checked the ftelnet config it's set at cp437

    Regards

    Richard

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  • From Richard Fairman@1:229/2 to All on Friday, September 27, 2019 05:56:00
    From: acampb5160@gmail.com

    Fixed Added the Advanced fonts extension to Win 10 Chrome and bbs now displays correctly in ftelnet.

    Goodbye Edge

    Richard

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  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Monday, September 30, 2019 20:51:14
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 30 Sep 2019 at 03:20p, Paul Quinn pondered and said...

    Go back to Richard's message, press V. What does the top line in the
    grey quoted headers display for you?

    Richards is a gated message via 3:770/3 ...

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  • From Phil Taylor@1:229/2 to All on Monday, September 30, 2019 04:12:25
    From: nospam.Phil.Taylor@p1.f201.n275.z1.binkp.net

    On 2019-09-27 04:05:33, Richard Fairman wrote to All:

    @MSGID: <6c720b40-bf99-4096-86bb-8dcf1caedf50@googlegroups.com> b767d @REPLY: <540b941b-cbfb-4255-873a-348d38438333@googlegroups.com> c20d5 @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3


    Bye, Wilfred.

    Interesting because mine show this for your message.

    @TID: FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    @RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes
    @TZUTC: 0200
    @CHRS: UTF-8 2
    @PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
    @MSGID: 2:280/464 5d8df341
    @REPLY: <6c720b40-bf99-4096-86bb-8dcf1caedf50@googlegroups.com> b767db95 @SEEN-BY: 1/19 15/0 16/0 19/36 34/999 90/1 103/705 104/57 106/201 116/18 @SEEN-BY: 120/331 544 123/130 131 140 128/2 142/799 153/757 7715 154/10 203/0 @SEEN-BY: 218/700 221/0 1 6 242 360 229/101 426 230/0 150 152 240/1120 5832 @SEEN-BY: 250/1 261/38 100 266/512 267/155 275/100 280/464 5003 282/1031 1056
    ÜÜ ÜÜ Ü ÜÜÜ ÜÜ
    @SEEN-BY: 291/1 111 292/854 320/119 219 322/0 340/400 342/13 396/45 640/1321 @SEEN-BY: 640/1384 712/848 801/161 189 2320/105 2452/250 3634/12 5020/1042 @SEEN-BY: 275/101 89 91 90 201 98 0
    @PATH: 280/464 221/1 320/219 261/38 275/100 201

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  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Monday, September 30, 2019 20:50:22
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 27 Sep 2019 at 01:30p, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3

    OK thanks, so the INTL kludge should not be there - correct?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Monday, September 30, 2019 16:20:36
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! Phil,

    On 30 Sep 19 03:12, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3
    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL

    Interesting because mine show this for your message.

    [ ...much deleted... ]

    @PATH: 275/201 100 261/38 712/848 640/1384

    Go back to Richard's message, press V. What does the top line in the grey quoted headers display for you?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... To the crew of the Aurora ... t'link, t'link!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mark lewis@1:229/2 to All on Monday, September 30, 2019 08:33:10
    From: nospam.mark.lewis@f1.n770.z487.fidonet.org

    Re: Re: Gating issue
    By: Phil Taylor to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Sep 30 2019 03:12:25


    On 2019-09-27 04:05:33, Richard Fairman wrote to All:

    @MSGID: <6c720b40-bf99-4096-86bb-8dcf1caedf50@googlegroups.com> b767d
    @REPLY: <540b941b-cbfb-4255-873a-348d38438333@googlegroups.com> c20d5
    @PID: SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1
    3:770/3

    Interesting because mine show this for your message.

    it isn't wilfred's messages with the problem... it is richard fairman's after they are gated... so you need to go back to RF's message(s) and look at them ;)


    )\/(ark

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Monday, September 30, 2019 18:54:24
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! Paul,

    On 30 Sep 19 19:51, you wrote to me:

    Go back to Richard's message, press V. What does the top line in
    the grey quoted headers display for you?

    Richards is a gated message via 3:770/3 ...

    I knew that. Phil seemed to be at a loss for what Wilfred was talking about.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Then, suddenly and embarrassingly, my swash came unbuckled...

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@1:229/2 to you on Monday, September 30, 2019 11:53:57
    From: nospam.Wilfred.van.Velzen@f464.n280.z2.binkp.net

    Hi Phil,

    On 2019-09-30 03:12:25, you wrote to me:

    @INTL 3:770/1 3:770/3

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1
    3:770/3

    Interesting because mine show this for your message.

    @TID: FMail-lnx64 2.1.0.18-B20170815
    @RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes
    @TZUTC: 0200
    @CHRS: UTF-8 2
    @PID: GED+LNX 1.1.5-b20161221
    @MSGID: 2:280/464 5d8df341
    @REPLY: <6c720b40-bf99-4096-86bb-8dcf1caedf50@googlegroups.com> b767db95 @SEEN-BY: 1/19 15/0 16/0 19/36 34/999 90/1 103/705 104/57 106/201 116/18 @SEEN-BY: 120/331 544 123/130 131 140 128/2 142/799 153/757 7715 154/10 203/0 @SEEN-BY: 218/700 221/0 1 6 242 360 229/101 426 230/0 150 152 240/1120 5832 @SEEN-BY: 250/1 261/38 100 266/512 267/155 275/100 280/464 5003 282/1031 1056
    ÜÜ ÜÜ Ü ÜÜÜ ÜÜ
    @SEEN-BY: 291/1 111 292/854 320/119 219 322/0 340/400 342/13 396/45 640/1321 @SEEN-BY: 640/1384 712/848 801/161 189 2320/105 2452/250 3634/12 5020/1042 @SEEN-BY: 275/101 89 91 90 201 98 0 @PATH: 280/464 221/1 320/219 261/38 275/100 201

    The only thing strange in there are the high ascii characters in the middle of the seen-by's. But that's not in the message when it left my system...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@1:229/2 to you on Monday, September 30, 2019 11:56:40
    From: nospam.Wilfred.van.Velzen@f464.n280.z2.binkp.net

    Hi Paul,

    On 2019-09-30 19:50:22, you wrote to me:

    FYI: My tosser is generating warnings on these gated messages:

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/1
    3:770/3

    OK thanks, so the INTL kludge should not be there - correct?

    That's correct, it shouldn't...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 18:18:08
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 30 Sep 2019 at 10:56a, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

    13:22:25.832 Warning: Found netmail kludge in echomail: INTL 3:770/
    3:770/3

    OK thanks, so the INTL kludge should not be there - correct?

    That's correct, it shouldn't...

    Interesting, I've had a quick laymans look at the FTSC.ORG docs and there's a couple of mentions of the INTL kludge.

    The first seems to talk about it as a tool to help routing mail between zones and zone gates. The discussion doc about INTL talks of Usenet as being seen as another zone. Netmail as a term is not used in that earlier doc from 1987

    The second doc talks explicitly about using INTL as a netmail addressing control line. Written in 1995 it talks about a new version of the kludge to replace INTL, TOPT, FMPT, MSGTO and DOMAIN

    "It is differentiated from the old INTL control by the presence of the colon ":". The colon also makes it fully compliaint with the control line convention specified in FTS1." says the doc.

    I just mention this as it looks like the gateway software is not using a
    colon in it's kludge.

    I'm wondering if the intention from the developer was to implement the kludge according to the 1980's spec and usage?

    A quick check so far of the config options for the software don't look
    hopeful I can amend anything. Sorry.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 18:30:29
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 02 Oct 2019 at 11:38a, Paul Quinn pondered and said...

    I had a look at the dox for an older version of SoupGate; it didn't look promising. Just BTW, do you or can you use another tool for the posting action? It might be possible to excise the INTL line, _if_ there is an intermediate action in the process.[shrug]

    Agreed not looking good.
    I'm open to third party tool suggestions.. :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 17:09:03
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! Paul,

    On 02 Oct 19 17:30, you wrote to me:

    tool for the posting action? It might be possible to excise the
    INTL line, _if_ there is an intermediate action in the
    process.[shrug]

    Agreed not looking good.
    I'm open to third party tool suggestions.. :)

    I have a DOS tool I used to use all the time. It's called 'replace', designed to do a simple text swap. (Not to be confused with a MS-DOS 1.xx/2.xx command.) Say, swap the string 'INTL' for something innocuous like 'Smile!'.

    That would work if there was a slight gap in processing as I queried. Like: 1) Soupgate gurgitates a -gated- chunk of text; 2) replace happens; then, 3) post the new version of the text chunk (with Mystic's text posting voodoo [which I have not yet read up on]).

    Mmm?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Ahh...hhh...hhh........ I forgot what I was going to say.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 20:53:25
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 02 Oct 2019 at 04:09p, Paul Quinn pondered and said...

    That would work if there was a slight gap in processing as I queried. Like: 1) Soupgate gurgitates a -gated- chunk of text; 2) replace
    happens; then, 3) post the new version of the text chunk (with Mystic's text posting voodoo [which I have not yet read up on]).

    Mmm?

    I think it could work... the PKT could be processed prior to tossing by the likes of FMail... I should say I'm looking at moving to Linux so is this a windows only tool? All good if it is, I'd still like to have a play if you think it may work.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 12:38:46
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! Paul,

    On 02 Oct 19 12:54, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    OK thanks, so the INTL kludge should not be there - correct?
    That's correct, it shouldn't...

    Hmm thanks, will investigate and see what (if anything) can be done.

    I had a look at the dox for an older version of SoupGate; it didn't look promising. Just BTW, do you or can you use another tool for the posting action? It might be possible to excise the INTL line, _if_ there is an intermediate action in the process.[shrug]

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... SysOps just like to watch.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 13:54:24
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 30 Sep 2019 at 10:56a, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

    OK thanks, so the INTL kludge should not be there - correct?

    That's correct, it shouldn't...

    Hmm thanks, will investigate and see what (if anything) can be done.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 18:37:40
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! Paul,

    On 02 Oct 19 19:53, you wrote to me:

    Like: 1) Soupgate gurgitates a -gated- chunk of text; 2)
    replace happens; then, 3) post the new version of the text chunk

    I think it could work... the PKT could be processed prior to tossing
    by the likes of FMail... I should say I'm looking at moving to Linux
    so is this a windows only tool? All good if it is, I'd still like to
    have a play if you think it may work.

    Replace is DOS-only. There are Linux scripting tools that allow scripts to do a replace-like action (AWK, I think). (I don't use them [yet]). FMail has a post tool, beit either Windows or Linux.

    There is some allowance for fixing the 'bug'. It doesn't have to be done yesterday, IMHO.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Only those who attempt the absurd achieve the impossible.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Hayton@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, October 03, 2019 13:26:22
    From: nospam.Paul.Hayton@f100.n770.z3.binkp.net

    On 02 Oct 2019 at 11:01a, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

    Well the message arrived here, was tossed, and I could read it in my editor. So between our software atleast, it doesn't seem to cause any problems...

    Ype agreed. I'm using FMail to toss most Usenet at present and despite the warning we have chatted about it everything works fine :)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@1:229/2 to you on Wednesday, October 02, 2019 12:01:08
    From: nospam.Wilfred.van.Velzen@f464.n280.z2.binkp.net

    Hi Paul,

    On 2019-10-02 17:18:08, you wrote to me:

    Interesting, I've had a quick laymans look at the FTSC.ORG docs and there's a couple of mentions of the INTL kludge.

    The first seems to talk about it as a tool to help routing mail between zones and zone gates. The discussion doc about INTL talks of Usenet as being seen as another zone. Netmail as a term is not used in that earlier doc from 1987

    The second doc talks explicitly about using INTL as a netmail addressing control line. Written in 1995 it talks about a new version of the kludge to
    replace INTL, TOPT, FMPT, MSGTO and DOMAIN

    Probably only a proposal?

    "It is differentiated from the old INTL control by the presence of
    the colon ":". The colon also makes it fully compliaint with the
    control line convention specified in FTS1." says the doc.

    I just mention this as it looks like the gateway software is not using
    a colon in it's kludge.

    I'm wondering if the intention from the developer was to implement the kludge according to the 1980's spec and usage?

    A quick check so far of the config options for the software don't look hopeful I can amend anything. Sorry.

    Well the message arrived here, was tossed, and I could read it in my editor. So between our software atleast, it doesn't seem to cause any problems...

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From mark lewis@1:229/2 to you on Friday, October 04, 2019 19:45:44
    From: nospam.mark.lewis@p73.f12.n3634.z1.binkp.net

    On 2019 Oct 04 14:32:00, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

    Replace is DOS-only. There are Linux scripting tools that allow
    scripts to do a replace-like action (AWK, I think). (I don't use them
    [yet]). FMail has a post tool, beit either Windows or Linux.

    sed is fantastic for scripted "find and replace" operations. That would be
    the Linux tool to use.

    in a binary file?? i know that grep doesn't like them unless forced...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.
    ... Can this be real? @FN@ is at a loss for words?!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Saturday, October 05, 2019 10:11:18
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! mark,

    On 04 Oct 19 18:45, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

    in a binary file?? i know that grep doesn't like them unless forced...

    That was my question to Paul Hayton, though he didn't pick up on my actual query. I don't know if there is a stage in the SoupGate process that provides an opportunity to amend a block of text, prior to posting to the echomail side.
    All that is required is an opportunity to remove the line, -or- at least edit the string itself where INTL occurs in the yet-to-be imported text chunk. I have only ever lightly browsed the SoupGate doco.

    Without causing you to waste valuable time in research, do you recall if there is a possible stage in the process with SoupGate?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Hey Sysop! Your BBS gave me a "Printer out of paper" error!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: www.darkrealms.ca (1:229/2)
  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to mark lewis on Saturday, October 05, 2019 12:01:00
    From: nospam.Tony.Langdon@f1.n770.z970.fidonet.org

    On 10-04-19 18:45, mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-


    On 2019 Oct 04 14:32:00, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

    Replace is DOS-only. There are Linux scripting tools that allow
    scripts to do a replace-like action (AWK, I think). (I don't use them
    [yet]). FMail has a post tool, beit either Windows or Linux.

    sed is fantastic for scripted "find and replace" operations. That would
    be
    the Linux tool to use.

    in a binary file?? i know that grep doesn't like them unless forced...

    Good point. :)


    ... JUVENILE COURT TO TRY SHOOTING DEFENDANT.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

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  • From Tony Langdon@1:229/2 to Paul Quinn on Friday, October 04, 2019 15:32:00
    From: nospam.Tony.Langdon@f1.n770.z966.fidonet.org

    On 10-02-19 17:37, Paul Quinn wrote to Paul Hayton <=-

    Replace is DOS-only. There are Linux scripting tools that allow
    scripts to do a replace-like action (AWK, I think). (I don't use them [yet]). FMail has a post tool, beit either Windows or Linux.

    sed is fantastic for scripted "find and replace" operations. That would be the Linux tool to use.


    ... Tolkien is hobbit-forming.
    === MultiMail/Win v0.51

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From mark lewis@1:229/2 to All on Saturday, October 05, 2019 13:06:59
    From: nospam.mark.lewis@f1.n770.z512.fidonet.org

    Re: Gating issue
    By: Paul Quinn to mark lewis on Sat Oct 05 2019 09:11:18


    Without causing you to waste valuable time in research, do you recall if there is a possible stage in the process with SoupGate?

    TBH i have no clue... i've never used soupgate... only GIGO when i was doing that sort of thing... it is all built into the package i've chosen to run currently... no more shoestring and bubblegum YAY! :)


    )\/(ark

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul Quinn@1:229/2 to you on Sunday, October 06, 2019 05:10:44
    From: nospam.Paul.Quinn@f1384.n640.z3.binkp.net

    Hi! mark,

    On 05 Oct 19 12:06, you wrote to me:

    TBH i have no clue... i've never used soupgate... only GIGO when i was doing that sort of thing... it is all built into the package i've
    chosen to run currently... no more shoestring and bubblegum YAY! :)

    Understood. Same, same for me. I went to Transnet for my gating fix (albeit newsgroups was a different devil). Thank you for your note.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Is fire supposed to shoot out of it like that!?

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