From: rmh@UNICYBER.remove-l02-this

To: bgdjr
Re: Re: Fidonet
By: bgdjr to Rmh on Fri Apr 27 2018 12:10 pm

Many thanks for the info.!

ANy website or place where I can follow any sort of updates related to the Zone?

thanks!

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From: rmh@UNICYBER.remove-l02-this

To: mark lewis
Re: Fidonet
By: mark lewis to Rmh on Fri Apr 27 2018 10:07 am

On 2018 Apr 27 13:09:02, you wrote to All:

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any traces of Node 2 anymore!

node 2? do you mean Zone 2? if so, it is alive and well with some 1100+ entries
in nodelist.117 for 2018...

?
yeah! Sorry, Zone 2 I meant!

Any way of reaching those guys or getting any information about it?

I have been browsing around the internet but I mostly find broken links.

Many thanks!

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From: mark.lewis@1:3634/12.73.remove-dt8-this

To: Rmh

On 2018 Apr 28 07:05:06, you wrote to me:

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any
traces of Node 2 anymore!

node 2? do you mean Zone 2? if so, it is alive and well with some
1100+ entries in nodelist.117 for 2018...

?
yeah! Sorry, Zone 2 I meant!

ok...

Any way of reaching those guys or getting any information about it?

is there something wrong with visiting one of their BBSes? oh wait...

I have been browsing around the internet but I mostly find broken
links.

i have no clue, really... joining fidonet in Z2 is just as easy as it is joining in Z1... you get the nodelist and find the *C that coveres your area, send them a netmail (not email... this is fidonet afterall) and do what they tell you needs to be done to be assigned a node number... where are you? i'm sure that some one of us in fidonet can easily point you to the proper person to handle your application...

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From: rmh@UNICYBER.remove-dt8-this

To: poindexter FORTRAN
Re: Fidonet
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Rmh on Fri Apr 27 2018 09:24 am

I really need to find out more about it.
I just started a few days ago and still grabbing lot of loose ends ...

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From: rmh@UNICYBER.remove-z7e-this

People

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any traces of Node 2 anymore!
I was considering also joining Fidonet but given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

Any recommendations/advise?

This is from the UK but nothing as far I know...

Thanks a lot!

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From: mark.lewis@1:3634/12.73.remove-q1l-this

To: Rmh

On 2018 Apr 27 13:09:02, you wrote to All:

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any traces of Node 2 anymore!

node 2? do you mean Zone 2? if so, it is alive and well with some 1100+ entries in nodelist.117 for 2018...

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-q1l-this

To: Rmh
Re: Fidonet
By: Rmh to All on Fri Apr 27 2018 01:09 pm

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any traces of Node 2 anymore! I was considering also joining Fidonet but given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

Any recommendations/advise?

This is from the UK but nothing as far I know...

Looking at my most recent nodelist (from last week), it looks to me like there is still a Zone 2 (Europe) with plenty of nodes in there. In Zone 2, region 25 is UK and Ireland, and in there, network 250 is British Net and network 263 is Ireland Net. Ireland Net has only one node in it, but British Net has several.

Nightfox

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From: bgdjr@BGDCAG.remove-10sv-this

To: Rmh

Rmh wrote to All <=-

People

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any
traces of Node 2 anymore! I was considering also joining Fidonet but
given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

Any recommendations/advise?

This is from the UK but nothing as far I know...

Thanks a lot!

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From: poindexter.fortran@REALITY.remove-c0b-this

To: Rmh
Re: Fidonet
By: Rmh to All on Fri Apr 27 2018 01:09 pm

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any traces of Node 2 anymore! I was considering also joining Fidonet but given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

On the contrary, they're more vocal than Zone 1 these days. Maybe the BBS you're on has a partial nodelist?

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From: terry@STARBASE.remove-oim-this

To: Rmh

People

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any

traces

of Node 2 anymore!
I was considering also joining Fidonet but given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

Any recommendations/advise?

This is from the UK but nothing as far I know...

Thanks a lot!

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Hi

My Name is Terry Barlow I am the RC for Region 15 of Fidonet i will look
into this and see what i can find out.

Sincerly
Terry

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From: terry@STARBASE.remove-23p-this

To: Rmh

People

I noticed Fidonet apparently is gone from Europe!!! I cannot se any

traces

of Node 2 anymore!
I was considering also joining Fidonet but given how things are I am not sure which lead to follow.

Any recommendations/advise?

This is from the UK but nothing as far I know...

Thanks a lot!

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Hi

Ok i have done some checking and ppl that made the other post are right i
just checked and zone 2 is alive and well. so u prob got a bad nodelist if
u need one i can send u one just send me ur email arreess or loginto one of
my bbs and msg me and i will get u one u can get me at

Region 15 HQ (http://region15.net)
Colorado Springs Central Net (http://cscnet1.net)

Thanks

Sincerly
Terry Barlow
Tj

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-9tx-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to All on Wed Dec 18 2019 01:14 pm

Question, am I missing something?

When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
can I use a address point .1 to join?

Assuming you're talking about Vetrauen, the answer is No, I'm not gating FidoNet or FsxNet to QWK.

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-122v-this

To: Digital Man
Re: Fidonet
By: Digital Man to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 10:43 am

Assuming you're talking about Vetrauen, the answer is No, I'm not gating FidoNet or FsxNet to QWK.

That was fast!

Thanks, that cares care of one thing today, still trying to get doors working
and door party also. Both throw a error.

Again, thanks

Funny I made a script for Mystic users and it works like a dream without
doing all the autoexec.dm for same doormud and dosconf.dm

But this is a tough one, I have DOS working like unpacking BRE was a good test. but still throws a SBBS error when I try it out.

Oh well hack away!



Havok



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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-xic-this

Question, am I missing something?

When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
can I use a address point .1 to join?

Thanks all!

Havok



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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-58n-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to Digital Man on Wed Dec 18 2019 14:06:16

Thanks, that cares care of one thing today, still trying to get doors

working

and door party also. Both throw a error.

What error?

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-ckj-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 15:45:09

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

Try correcting that path so that there's a / before 'xtrn'.

I'm also curious about your DoorParty error. Same as the above, or something else?

Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

I have no idea where or if dosemu writes its logs, but hopefully somebody else around here can help with that.

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-11nh-this

To: echicken
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 02:14 pm

What error?

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

The sysop has been notified.
[Hit a key]



!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/bre/

The sysop has been notified.
[Hit a key]

Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

Thanks




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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-p42-this

To: mark lewis
Re: Fidonet
By: mark lewis to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 05:59 pm

no... you wouldn't be a point in a FTN at all if you get it over QWK... at best you'd be a user of the QWK hub you're getting it from that is gating the area between the QWK and FTN networks...

Sounds about right, it did seem like a easy way to be able to gate.

Just a silly thought between every thing I trying to learn here, but I
think I have forgotten more of my old SBBS win32 board then what I
remember.

Thanks




Havok


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From: mark.lewis@1:3634/12.73.remove-p42-this

To: Havok

On 2019 Dec 18 13:14:32, you wrote to All:

Question, am I missing something?

not sure yet...

When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to pick.
I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK and if so
can I use a address point .1 to join?

no... you wouldn't be a point in a FTN at all if you get it over QWK... at best you'd be a user of the QWK hub you're getting it from that is gating the area between the QWK and FTN networks...

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From: gamgee@PALANT.remove-at2-this

To: Havok

Havok wrote to All <=-

Question, am I missing something?

When I joined Dovenet I say fidonet and fsxnet in the areas to
pick.

I cannot process that sentence, as it makes no sense.

I guess what I'm asking can I just those also through QWK
and if so can I use a address point .1 to join?

I cannot process that sentence either, for the same reason.


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From: rampage@SESTAR.remove-k1k-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 15:45:09

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before xtrn...

Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

in each node's directory, there'll be a dosemu_boot.log file with the details...


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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-xw2-this

To: Gamgee
Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Gamgee to Havok on Wed Dec 18 2019 09:47 pm

I cannot process that sentence either, for the same reason.

I wrote it wrong at the time, sorry.

Havok

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From: altere@ATHEL.remove-shw-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to echicken on Wed Dec 18 2019 03:45 pm

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

The sysop has been notified.
Where do I look for better logs on dosemu error's?

Normally in your node directory dosemu_boot.log.

-altere

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-rht-this

To: Altere
Re: Fidonet
By: Altere to Havok on Thu Dec 19 2019 10:55 am

Normally in your node directory dosemu_boot.log.

Thanks that helps a lot, I wont be asking many more questions after being
barked at.

Thank you

Havok

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-cf1-this

To: Dumas Walker
Re: Fidonet
By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Dec 19 2019 18:36:00

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

More likely he just set the path to '..xtrn/doors/dmud/' in scfg. Unless you provide an absolute path (eg. starting with '/'), these paths are relative to your ctrl directory. The resulting full path is showing up in the log.

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-d66-this

To: Dumas Walker
Re: Fidonet
By: Dumas Walker to RAMPAGE on Thu Dec 19 2019 06:36 pm

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before xtrn..

It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

/sbbs/xtrn/dmud is the same directory as /sbbs/ctrl/../xtrn/dmud



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From: dumas.walker@CAPCITY2.remove-f75-this

To: RAMPAGE

!ERROR checking /sbbs/ctrl/..xtrn/doors/dmud/

i know it has already been pointed out that you're missing a '/' before

xtrn..

It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under /sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.


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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-kyv-this

To: Digital Man
Re: Fidonet
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 19 2019 05:26 pm

It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under
/sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

Small statement here...

After being TOLD to read the docs

And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

Just reading from the docs



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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-iuj-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to Digital Man on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:37:21

Small statement here...

After being TOLD to read the docs

And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

Just reading from the docs

You didn't have '../xtrn', you had '..xtrn', and there's a crucial difference.

If you're going to be bitchy about it, at least try to be correct at the same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.

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From: digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-to-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to Digital Man on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:37 am

Re: Fidonet
By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 19 2019 05:26 pm

It also looks like he has his /xtrn dir pointed here like it is under
/sbbs/ctrl. Mine is under /sbbs proper, i.e. /sbbs/xtrn.

Small statement here...

After being TOLD to read the docs

And the docs state: ../xtrn not /sbbs/xtrn/

Just reading from the docs

From the error message you posted it appears you made a typo: "..xtrn/something" rather than "../xtrn/something". It's been pointed out to you, but perhaps you missed it?

digital man

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-vpz-this

To: echicken
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Fri Dec 20 2019 02:51 pm

If you're going to be bitchy about it, at least try to be correct at the same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.
same time. Sorry for being a dick about it, but I'm grumpy today.

Laughing

One I wasn't being a dick about it and that statement was pointed to you.

Two I have thick skin spending years in the service and protecting you!

Three no big deal



Havok

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-12bi-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to echicken on Fri Dec 20 2019 17:00:27

One I wasn't being a dick about it and that statement was pointed to you.

I didn't say you were being a dick, but you certainly were complaining about being "TOLD" to read the docs, which you felt were incorrect.

The docs didn't lead you astray. The configuration error was your own. I just
wanted to point that out lest you take this as a reason to avoid consulting the
wiki in the future. There's a lot of useful info on there, and it would be a shame if you
chose to avoid it.

Two I have thick skin spending years in the service and protecting you!

I apologized because I knew I was being rude, not because I assumed you were overly sensitive. I hope that thick skin is keeping you nice and warm up there
on that high horse.

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From: dumas.walker@CAPCITY2.remove-zaj-this

To: ECHICKEN

More likely he just set the path to '..xtrn/doors/dmud/' in scfg. Unless you p
ovide an absolute path (eg. starting with '/'), these paths are relative to you
ctrl directory. The resulting full path is showing up in the log.

Ahhh.... so the ../xtrn works because it says "one dir up from ctrl, then
back down xtrn". I did not know that. Glad I know it now! :)


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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-cog-this

To: echicken
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Fri Dec 20 2019 05:35 pm

I didn't say you were being a dick, but you certainly were complaining about being "TOLD" to read the docs, which you felt were incorrect.

No worries!

See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as
good or their were none. I'm old school and use to getting help from other
sysop's. The only guy I know of that was still like that passed away not to long ago. (Tim Cornett) that guy would spend days helping others.

As for you, you were right and I apologize.

But I'll still stay on my high horse.
No wories...




Havok

... Hello, he lied.

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-xk7-this

To: echicken
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm

If you find something unclear or missing from the documentation, or if the instructions didn't seem to work for you, by all means ask for more information, clarification, or help. This is where the docs can be built out more, or some troubleshooting of your setup can happen.

Tanx...

Havok

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From: echicken@ECBBS.remove-q92-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to echicken on Sat Dec 21 2019 03:07:00

See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days

people

a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not

as

good or their were none. I'm old school and use to getting help from other sysop's. The only guy I know of that was still like that passed away not

to long ago. (Tim Cornett)

that guy would spend days helping others.

We provide a lot of support to fellow sysops here. What we don't want to do is
rewrite, rephrase, and repeat what's already written out on the wiki. That's a *lot* of needless typing, copying and pasting.

I get that being pointed at the wiki feels like a brush-off, but it isn't meant
that way, and it isn't all that we do. It may not be what you're accustomed to, but it's still help.

If you find something unclear or missing from the documentation, or if the instructions didn't seem to work for you, by all means ask for more information, clarification, or help. This is where the docs can be built out more, or some troubleshooting of
your setup can happen.

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From: hustler@HAVENS.remove-10a5-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm

See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as

I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

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From: hustler@HAVENS.remove-10a5-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: echicken to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 01:12 pm

See I have been running a BBS going back to 89 in those old school days people
a (sysop) would go out of is way to help other sysop's. The DOCS were not as

I'm in agreement with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS's going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used only had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

H A V E N S B B S havens.synchro.net:23

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From: havok@HWBBS.remove-cn4-this

To: HusTler
Re: Fidonet
By: HusTler to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 09:58 pm

I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without the help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words of Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked. ;-)

That was the point I was trying to make, I miss those days!

Thanks for the reply...



Havok

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-cn4-this

To: Dumas Walker

On 12-20-19 19:48, Dumas Walker wrote to ECHICKEN <=-

Ahhh.... so the ../xtrn works because it says "one dir up from ctrl,
then back down xtrn". I did not know that. Glad I know it now! :)

Correct ".." means the parent directory to the current directory. So if you're sitting in /sbbs/ctrl and do "cd ../xtrn" then you're now in /sbbs/xtrn. :)

And that works regardless of where SBBS is installed, because the directory structure is the same below the main SBBS directory.


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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-opm-this

To: Tony Langdon
Re: Re: Fidonet
By: Tony Langdon to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 22 2019 04:36 pm

Correct ".." means the parent directory to the current directory. So if you're sitting in /sbbs/ctrl and do "cd ../xtrn" then you're now in /sbbs/xtrn. :)

And that works regardless of where SBBS is installed, because the directory structure is the same below the main SBBS directory.

I like using relative paths like that because that makes it easier to move my BBS files if I ever wanted to. I run my BBS in Windows on a D drive, and not directly off the root directory (mine is in D:\BBS\sbbs), which is probably not
like most other
sysops' setups, and it works fairly well. I didn't have to go modify a bunch of paths for that to work.

Nightfox

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From: mro@BBSESINF.remove-npr-this

To: Havok
Re: Fidonet
By: Havok to HusTler on Sun Dec 22 2019 03:05 am

Re: Fidonet
By: HusTler to Havok on Sat Dec 21 2019 09:58 pm

I'm agree with you Havok. I never could have kept my BBS going without help of fellow SysOps. One ten minute phone call was worth 2000 words o Docs. The BBS software I used on had Manuals with index's that sucked.

That was the point I was trying to make, I miss those days!

Thanks for the reply...

if the docs dont suck, they are helpful. nowadays people dont like writing them and the undocumented features and other problems can snowball.
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