From: the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-6ac-this

To: Digital Man
Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

$ The Millionaire $

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-ki2-this

To: The Millionaire
Re: Syncterm
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be
iOS-specific things added, at least.

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

Nightfox

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From: ryan@MONTEREY.remove-lzr-this

To: Nightfox

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple
dev work so who knows.

I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm
on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-ayl-this

To: ryan
Re: Re: Syncterm
By: ryan to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 11:37 am

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

Ah, I didn't know.. But I thought they were trying to consolidate things so they didn't have so many different operating systems/platforms to support.

I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

I've done some BBSing on mobile devices, but I like having a real keyboard to type on. I suppose if you had a bluetooth keyboard for a tablet, that could work okay.

Nightfox

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From: the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-ldx-this

To: Nightfox

Re: Syncterm
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

I think it would take a lot more than just a recompile. There would have to be iOS-specific things added, at least.

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

Nightfox

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This was taken from my iPad:

iPad 13.6
Your software is up to date.

$ The Millionaire $

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From: the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-8hz-this

To: Nightfox
iPadOS 13.6
$ The Millionaire $

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From: the.millionaire@vert.synchro.net.remove-glm-this

To: ryan

Actually I think iPadOS is its own thing now. But I haven't done any apple dev work so who knows.

I do like BBSing on my iPad, for what it's worth...I've been using htmlterm on my BBS website to connect via wss. It works really well, I'm a big fan.

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Here’s proof here:

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$ The Millionaire $

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-ngj-this

To: Nightfox

On 08-11-20 08:30, Nightfox wrote to The Millionaire <=-

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.


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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-x60-this

To: Tony Langdon
Re: Re: Syncterm
By: Tony Langdon to Nightfox on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:47 pm

And I think it's just iOS, not iPadOS.

The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

I see. I didn't know.

Nightfox

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-x60-this

To: The Millionaire
Re: Syncterm
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 01:20 pm

iPadOS 13.6

I see. I didn't know they were calling it iPadOS.

Nightfox

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From: tony.langdon@3:633/410.remove-xpb-this

To: Nightfox

On 08-12-20 08:49, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

The newer iPads do run iPadOS. There is such a thing.

I see. I didn't know.

Yeah, only came out in the last year or so, IIRC.


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From: daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-kmi-this

To: The Millionaire
Re: Syncterm
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Aug 11 2020 05:45 am

Would it be possible to compile Syncterm for IPadOS? That would be so cool.

Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load
it on a jailbroken device.

DaiTengu

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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-adx-this

To: DaiTengu
Re: Syncterm
By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to side-load it on a jailbroken device.

I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a
one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

Nightfox

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From: daitengu@ENSEMBLE.remove-upm-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Syncterm
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

DaiTengu

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From: underminer@UNDRMINE.remove-4dm-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Syncterm
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 01:24 pm

I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

Somewhere in between. That's about what it costs to keep an active developer account with Apple.... That's right, kids, Apple charges the devs to develop for their platform. I mean, I guess technically Google does for the play store too, but last I
checked that was only a $20 one time charge to register, and there's alternatives to the play store for android distribution.
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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-3r-this

To: DaiTengu
Re: Syncterm
By: DaiTengu to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 05:04 pm

I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the
$99 fee was a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to
pay $99 every year to have the app listed?

I think it's $99 per year to remain an active "apple developer" I don't think you can push updates to your app without it.

I suppose $99 per year isn't too bad if you make a lot of apps and make money on them. But for someone who is a casual developer who wants to develop an iOS
app at home as sort of a hobby, it could be a bit discouraging to have to pay $99 per year to
have their app in the app store, especially if they want their app to be free and also ad-free.

In the late 80s and early 90s, or around there, I remember some software development tools being quite expensive. Then, Borland came out with some very
good software development tools for DOS PCs that were fairly inexpensive. I think Microsoft caught
on, because Microsoft made their Visual Studio fairly inexpensive for a while if you just wanted an individual language like Visual C++ or Visual Basic. I think Microsoft realized if they wanted a good software base for Windows for people to use, they
needed to make the barrier to entry for software development fairly easy, which
meant inexpensive software development tools. I think that helped with allowing a large selection of software for Windows to become available, thus helping Windows become
more popular.

However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.

Nightfox

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From: underminer@UNDRMINE.remove-lj8-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Syncterm
By: Nightfox to DaiTengu on Fri Aug 14 2020 04:09 pm

However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk' software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a selection of quality software.
Nightfox

Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this
mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D
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From: nightfox@DIGDIST.remove-9e5-this

To: Underminer
Re: Syncterm
By: Underminer to Nightfox on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:02 pm

However, some might also argue that there is also a lot of 'junk'
software out there, and software with ads, malware, etc.. I suppose
it can help to have a middle ground somewhere to help ensure a
selection of quality software.

Hmm, if only someone came up with a system where development tools were freely available, but there was some kind of central repository of some sort to install software from that served as a level of validation to keep the crap out. And if only this mystical environment could not only exist, but have some kind of easy to use command line to install software directly from these repositories.... if only. ;D

I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up
to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you can add an additional source to
your repository list and install it from there, but that's basically like going
to a web site to download the software, so you're back at square 1.. I don't think the software repositories really make it a whole lot easier to install software, it's just
a different source. I think it could be just as easy to look it up on the web,
download a package from the web, and use a command (or GUI app if you prefer) to install the package. And if you already know the company or web site to get
it from, then
you can go right there. It's easy to go to the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier,
it's just a convenient place to look for software.

Nightfox

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From: underminer@UNDRMINE.remove-12b5-this

To: Nightfox
Re: Syncterm
By: Nightfox to Underminer on Fri Aug 14 2020 06:32 pm

I suppose you're talking about Linux distros.. :P One thing I've found with that though, is that software in a distro's repository isn't always the most up to date. To get the latest version of something, sometimes you the package manager and look it up there too - I just don't think a package manager makes it significantly easier, it's just a convenient place to look for software.

If you're talking about any single piece of software, and only the installation
of the same, then a repository might not be significantly easier/better. When it comes to managing dependencies, updates, a system as a whole, and not having
to necessarily
vet each installation source - a repo is orders of magnitude easier to deal with. And in terms of whether a repo is the most up to date version of something - that tends to mainly come down to whether you have a rolling or release based distro. If you
have the first, repos are generally up to date, if you have the latter it's usually the case of it having whatever version has been validated to work with all the other library versions in that repo.

Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about needing ;)
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From: utopian.galt@IUTOPIA.remove-7ll-this

To: DaiTengu

Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to get SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able
to side-load

Yea, millionare should of bought a surface or a macbook air.
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From: tracker1@TRN.remove-rxf-this

To: Nightfox
On 8/14/2020 1:24 PM, Nightfox wrote:

Re: Syncterm
By: DaiTengu to The Millionaire on Fri Aug 14 2020 02:53 pm

Da> Are you going to pony up the $99 a year that Apple charges in order to

get

Da> SyncTERM listed in the Apple store? Otherwise you'll only be able to
Da> side-load it on a jailbroken device.

I haven't published an iOS app, but I had the impression that the $99 fee was

a one-time fee to get it listed. But developers have to pay $99 every year to
have the app listed?

Yes... Keep thinking that websockets + wasm builds may be a good
migration strategy for BBSes... would allow for multi-bbs hosting on a
single IP as well as not needing an installed client.

No idea how hard it would be to pull the rendering engine out of
synchronet with a wasm build target for integrating into a websocket
client though, it's been something on the back of my mind, and would
probably be best with an lgpl adjustment to the license for the built webassebly.

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From: tracker1@TRN.remove-rxf-this

To: Underminer
On 8/14/2020 10:04 PM, Underminer wrote:

Decently maintained repos absolutely do the things we were talking about

needing ;)

For end-user desktop software flatpak+flathub is a decent option for
most things. Though there's also snap and appimage. Of course if you
want auto-updates they still fall a little short depending on your setup.

MS has introduced their own (winget) based on a prominent open-source
one (AppGet), there's also chocolatey, which is what I've mostly used
and stuck to.

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