From: intraphase@gmail.com

I'm an independent but talk about a slow motion clusterfuck.
Not trolling just saying the tide turned and is moving opposite.


February 9, 2018
Hillary's Uranium One Reaching Critical Mass
By Daniel John Sobieski

Team Hillary, which includes the corrupt and seditious hierarchy of the Obama DOJ and FBI, actually thought they could get away with everything. Hillary would win, Trump would be in the dock, and they would get away with everything from using the Clinton
Foundation as a corrupt pay-for-play cash cow, to lying to the FISA court to conduct surveillance on American citizens, to real collusion with the Russians to transfer to them 20 percent of the raw material for nuclear weapons, our uranium supply.

Certainly we would have never heard of one William Douglas Campbell, the FBI informant with extensive and deep knowledge of how the Russian of Vladimir Putin used bribery, extortion and other tools in their bag of tricks to penetrate America’s nuclear
industry, and how they used Hillary Clinton to gain access to our uranium. As The Hill’s John Solomon reports:

An FBI informant connected to the Uranium One controversy told three congressional committees in a written statement that Moscow routed millions of dollars to America with the expectation it would be used to benefit Bill Clinton's charitable efforts
while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton quarterbacked a “reset” in U.S.-Russian relations.

The informant, Douglas Campbell, said in the statement obtained by The Hill
that he was told by Russian nuclear executives that Moscow had hired the American lobbying firm APCO Worldwide specifically because it was in position to influence the Obama
administration, and more specifically Hillary Clinton.

Campbell added in the testimony that Russian nuclear officials “told me at various times that they expected APCO to apply a portion of the $3 million annual lobbying fee it was receiving from the Russians to provide in-kind support for the Clintons'
Global Initiative."

“The contract called for four payments of $750,000 over twelve months. APCO was expected to give assistance free of charge to the Clinton Global Initiative as part of their effort to create a favorable environment to ensure the Obama administration
made affirmative decisions on everything from Uranium One to the U.S.-Russia Civilian Nuclear Cooperation agreement."

A favorable ruling on transferring one-fifth of our uranium supply, a commodity
we heavily import, is exactly what the Russians got for their efforts. As investigative journalist Sara Carter reports, Campbell testified on how the Clintons traded our
uranium supply for Russian cash, but also how they were aiding Iran’s nuclear
program even as the denied doing so:

An informant who spent years gathering information on the Russian energy and uranium market industry for the FBI, met staff members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, House Oversight, and House Intelligence Committees on Wednesday. He gave explosive
testimony on his years as an undercover informant providing information to the FBI on Russian criminal networks operating in the United States. He also contends in his testimony, and written briefs, to the FBI that Russia attempted
to hide its ongoing
aid to help sustain Iran’s nuclear industry, at the time the Obama administration approved the sale of 20 percent of U.S. uranium mining rights to
Russia.

William D. Campbell, an American businessman, provided extensive information on other counterintelligence issues to the FBI for decades and he had also provided information to the CIA on various issues during his time overseas...

The informant’s attorney, Victoria Toensing partner at the firm DiGenova & Toensing, said the following:

“Mr. Campbell testified for over four hours until he answered every question from three Congressional committees; the Senate Judiciary, House Oversight and House Intelligence committees. He recounted numerous times that the Russians bragged that
the Clintons’ influence in the Obama administration would ensure CIFIUS approval for Uranium One. And he was right.”

Hillary did not win and hopefully this is just one of her many chickens coming home to roost. Special Counsel Mueller can look for Trump collusion with Russia
and Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif, can continue his quest for naked pictures of Donald Trump but
here we have real evidence of collusion bordering on treason. Ironically, the same cast of characters who tried to frame Donald Trump on collusion aided and abetted the cover-up of Russia’s moves and Hillary’s involvement. As Fox News analyst Gregg
Jarrett notes on the Uranium One scandal:

But why has there been no prosecution of Clinton? Why did the FBI and the Department of Justice during the Obama administration keep the evidence secret?
Was it concealed to prevent a scandal that would poison Barack Obama’s presidency? Was Hillary
Clinton being protected in her quest to succeed him?

The answer may lie with the people who were in charge of the investigation and who knew of its explosive impact. Who are they?

Eric Holder was the Attorney General when the FBI began uncovering the Russian corruption scheme in 2009. Since the FBI reports to him, he surely knew what the bureau had uncovered.

What’s more, Holder was a member of the “Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States” which approved the uranium sale to the Russians in 2010. Since the vote was unanimous, it appears Holder knowingly and deliberately countenanced a
deal that was based on illegal activities and which gave Moscow control of more
than 20 percent of America’s uranium assets.

It gets worse. Robert Mueller was the FBI Director during the time of the Russian uranium probe, and so was his successor James Comey who took over in 2013 as the FBI was still developing the case. Rod Rosenstein, then-U.S. Attorney, was supervising
the case. There is no indication that any of these men ever told Congress of all the incriminating evidence they had discovered and the connection to Clinton. The entire matter was kept secret from the American public.

It may be no coincidence that Mueller (now special counsel) and Rosenstein (now Deputy Attorney General) are the two top people currently investigating whether the Trump campaign conspired with the Russians to influence the 2016 presidential election.
Mueller reports to Rosenstein, while Comey is a key witness in the case. It is not unreasonable to conclude that Mueller, Rosenstein and Comey may have covered up potential crimes involving Clinton and Russia, but are now determined to find some
evidence that Trump “colluded” with Russia.

There was an FBI investigation of Russia’s nuclear activities dating back to 2009, with current Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller up to their eyeballs in covering up evidence of Hillary’s collusion,
bordering on treason, with Vladimir Putin’s Russia:

Prior to the Obama administration approving the very controversial deal in 2010 giving Russia 20% of America’s Uranium, the FBI had evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were involved in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering
in order to benefit Vladimir Putin, says a report by The Hill.

Who was right in the middle of it all? HILLARY CLINTON.

John Solomon and Alison Spann of The Hill:

Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium
trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show…

From today’s report we find out that the investigation was supervised by then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, who is now President Trump’s Deputy Attorney General, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who is now the
deputy FBI director
under Trump.

Robert Mueller was head of the FBI from Sept 2001-Sept 2013 until James Comey took over as FBI Director in 2013. They were BOTH involved in this Russian scam being that this case started in 2009 and ended in 2015.

If evidence of bribery, kickbacks, extortion, and money laundering in the Uranium One affair are not grounds for a special prosecutor assigned to investigate Hillary Clinton, what is? Rosenstein and Mueller, by their silence on this investigation hidden
from Congress and the American people, are unindicted coconspirators in Hillary’s crimes and should be terminated immediately.

It is time for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to leave his self-imposed witness
protection program and either convene a grand jury, appoint a special counsel for all of Hillary’s crimes, or both. Pant suits do come in prison orange.

Daniel John Sobieski is a freelance writer whose pieces have appeared in Investor’s Business Daily, Human Events, Reason Magazine and the Chicago Sun-Times among other publications.

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

The Bribes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4gngKCVQj8

The Dossier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=VlnDQ3i5ap8

Conspiracy Treehouse
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Q ANON Conspiracy R US
https://qcodefag.github.io/

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

Low Rider Forty Four 1-3
https://youtu.be/OrCrDaKqS9s?t=1m53s

Cisco Kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvYODVTHC2I


The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
He drink whiskey, Poncho drink the wine
He drink whiskey, Poncho drink the wine

We met down on the Fort of Rio Grande
We met down on the Fort of Rio Grande
Eat the salted peanuts out of can
Eat the salted peanuts out the can

The outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
The outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
Cisco came in blastin', drinkin' port
Cisco came in blastin', drinkin' port

They rode the sunset, horse was made of steel
They rode the sunset, horse was made of steel
Chased a gringo last night through a field
Chased a gringo last night through a field

Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid, he was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine

Ho ho ho ho, ho ho ho ho ho
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho
Ho ho ho ho, ho ho ho ho ho
Ho ho ho ho ho ho ho

Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
Cisco Kid he was a friend of mine
Cisco Kid was

===========================================

...
..?
Honor Dignity Solemnity
Agreed
Hard To Port
Out
Out
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))))))))))))))))

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

WikiLeaks: Conservative Pope Benedict Was Forced To Resign By ‘Deep State’

February 11, 2018 Sean Adl-Tabatabai Conspiracies 29
WikiLeaks emails reveal Conservative Pope Benedict was forced to resign by Deep
State operatives

George Soros, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton orchestrated a coup in the Vatican to overthrow conservative Pope Benedict in February 2013, according to WikiLeaks emails.

Pope Benedict became the first pope to resign since Pope Gregory XII in 1415, and the first one to do so on his own initiative since Pope Celestine V in 1294.

Gloria.tv reports: However the group of Catholic leaders cite new evidence uncovered in emails released by WikiLeaks to claim the conservative Pope Benedict did not actually resign on his own initiative, but was pushed out of the Vatican by a coup that
the group of researchers are calling the “Catholic Spring.”

Soros, Obama and Clinton used the United States’ diplomatic machinery, political muscle, and financial power to coerce, bribe and blackmail “regime change” in the Roman Catholic Church in order to replace the conservative Benedict with the current
Pope Francis – who has since become an unlikely mouthpiece for the international left, stunning Catholics around the world.

Now the group of Catholic leaders have sent a letter to President Trump urging him to launch an official investigation into the activities of George Soros, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (and others) who they allege were involved in orchestrating Catholic
Spring that resulted in their goal of “regime change” in the Vatican.

The Catholic leaders cite eight specific questions they seek to have answered concerning suspect events that led to the resignation of Pope Benedict, the first papal abdication in 700 years.

“Specifically, we have reason to believe that a Vatican ‘regime change’ was engineered by the Obama administration,” say the petitioners, in their January 20 letter to President Trump.

“We were alarmed to discover,” their letter notes, “that, during the third year of the first term of the Obama administration your previous opponent, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and other government officials with whom she associated
proposed a Catholic ‘revolution’ in which the final demise of what was left
of the Catholic Church in America would be realized.”

The letter includes links to documents and news stories underscoring their claims. It first directs attention to the notorious Soros-Clinton-Podesta e-mails disclosed last year by WikiLeaks, in which Podesta and other progressives discussed regime change
to remove what they described as the “middle ages dictatorship” in the Catholic Church.

Regarding the Podesta e-mails in question, The New American reported last October:

“Podesta, a longtime Clinton adviser/confidante and hand-picked top activist for left-wing funder George Soros, revealed in a 2011 e-mail that he and other activists were working to effect a “Catholic Spring” revolution within the Catholic Church,
an obvious reference to the disastrous “Arab Spring” coups organized that same year by the Obama-Clinton-Soros team that destabilized the Middle East and
brought radical Islamist regimes and terrorist groups to power in the region. The Podesta e-mail
is a response to another Soros-funded radical — Sandy Newman, founder of the “progressive” Voices for Progress. Newman had written to Podesta seeking advice on the best way to “plant the seeds of the revolution” in the Catholic Church, which he
described as a “middle ages [sic] dictatorship.”

In their letter to President Trump, the group of Catholics leaders write: “Approximately a year after this e-mail discussion, which was never intended to be made public, we find that Pope Benedict XVI abdicated under highly unusual circumstances and
was replaced by a pope whose apparent mission is to provide a spiritual component to the radical ideological agenda of the international left. The Pontificate of Pope Francis has subsequently called into question its own legitimacy on a multitude of
occasions.”

“We remain puzzled by the behavior of this ideologically charged Pope, whose mission seems to be one of advancing secular agendas of the left rather than guiding the Catholic Church in Her sacred mission,” they say, expressing the thoughts of
millions of Catholics around the world stunned by Pope Francis’s left-wing ideology. “It is simply not the proper role of a Pope to be involved in politics to the point that he is considered to be the leader of the international left.”

They continue:

“With all of this in mind, and wishing the best for our country as well as for Catholics worldwide, we believe it to be the responsibility of loyal and informed United States Catholics to petition you to authorize an investigation into the following
questions:

– To what end was the National Security Agency monitoring the conclave that elected Pope Francis?
– What other covert operations were carried out by US government operatives concerning the resignation of Pope Benedict or the conclave that elected Pope Francis?
– Did US government operatives have contact with the “Cardinal Danneels Mafia”?
– International monetary transactions with the Vatican were suspended during the last few days prior to the resignation of Pope Benedict. Were any U.S. Government agencies involved in this?
– Why were international monetary transactions resumed on February 12, 2013, the day after Benedict XVI announced his resignation? Was this pure coincidence?
– What actions, if any, were actually taken by John Podesta, Hillary Clinton,
and others tied to the Obama administration who were involved in the discussion
proposing the fomenting of a “Catholic Spring”?
– What was the purpose and nature of the secret meeting between Vice President Joseph Biden and Pope Benedict XVI at the Vatican on or about June 3,
2011?
– What roles were played by George Soros and other international financiers who may be currently residing in United States territory?”

The investigation the group of Catholic leaders is requesting of President Trump should be of interest to more than just Catholics. George Soros’s ability to co-opt leading political figures to assist his radical plans for nation states is well known;
but his ability to force “regime change” in the Catholic church, an institution previously throught impenetrable from the outside, raises serious questions about his potential for global chaos. The investigation — and punishment — should begin at
once.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

so we have had 18 school shooting now
in the USA since the first of the year.
Todays shooting makes you wonder a bit.
18 shootings in 45 days? WTF is going
on here? Is this a true and correct stat?

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:24:57 PM UTC-8, wilddild wrote:

so we have had 18 school shooting now
in the USA since the first of the year.
Todays shooting makes you wonder a bit.
18 shootings in 45 days? WTF is going
on here?

Hillary Clinton's behind all of it. ;)

When the apple blossoms bloom
in the windmills of your mind,
I'll be your Valentine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJdXPY_NcUU

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

oh ... and by the way.....
you have a happy valentines day
you all hear now ok?

sure pal.

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

this is a rare instrumental

When the apple blossoms bloom
in the windmills of your mind,
I'll be your Valentine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJdXPY_NcUU

yeah ok but leave your gun at home ok ? geez.

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From: slider@anashram.com

yeah ok but leave your gun at home ok ? geez.

### - might as well ask Mussolini to give up meatballs?

(j/k) ;)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

No Country For Dead Students

now playing in America ..

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From: slider@anashram.com

No Country For Dead Students

now playing in America ..

### - just picked up a used copy of henry millers' Time of the assassins'
for only a few bucks on ebay, haven't read it (again) for years and am
only half way through it now, but it's still one of his real gems... i
mean, for sure he's exploring (and talking about) rimbaud, and even
comparing his own life to his (interesting shit just in it's own right),
but he also talks about the world, or rather: the state of it, and, more importantly: why it's that way! and perforce it remains as-appropriate and as-correct today as when written nearly 80 years ago, if not more so!

doesn't really pull any punches does our 'enry!

thus his is a gravel in the guts & a spit in the eye of... reality!

those cold, steel blue eyes of his, miss nothing!

overlook nada!

was a genuine outsider was our henry!

a very balanced one...

thoroughly recommend it :)

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From: slider@anashram.org

so why is it that way then?
What does he have to say about that ?

### - quite a lot! (about 160 pages worth...)

How do we fix everything ?

### - education as opposed to indoctrination?

by destroying/invalidating the current system/building something better

by expanding our awareness by understanding the need to do so!

by growing the fuck up already!

by reading his book :)

by evolving.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Time-of-the-Assassins-A-Study-of-Rimbaud-by-Henry-V-Miller/142324898797?epid=666472&hash=item2123399bed:g:0FsAAOSw6VRaEXB8

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

so why is it that way then?
What does he have to say about that ?

How do we fix everything ?

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From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

Chris asks:
"How do we fix everything?"

Just lock up Hillary and Obama.
That's all we gotta do. :)

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:24:57 PM UTC-8, wilddild wrote:

so we have had 18 school shooting now
in the USA since the first of the year.
Todays shooting makes you wonder a bit.
18 shootings in 45 days? WTF is going
on here? Is this a true and correct stat?

turns out this stat is not correct.
this is bullshit news, fake news, whatever.
this seemed way high. so don't believe this.
(as if anyone did)

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From: slider@anashram.com

this seemed way high. so don't believe this.
(as if anyone did)

### - quote from some 70-year old b/w hard-bitten-detective-movie the
other day:

"...i don't believe 'anything' i hear, and only 'half' of whatever i see!"

pretty good advise for then + even more so today?

haha :)

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 1:30:29 AM UTC-5, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:24:57 PM UTC-8, wilddild wrote:

so we have had 18 school shooting now
in the USA since the first of the year.
Todays shooting makes you wonder a bit.
18 shootings in 45 days? WTF is going
on here?

Hillary Clinton's behind all of it. ;)

When the apple blossoms bloom
in the windmills of your mind,
I'll be your Valentine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJdXPY_NcUU

A cabal of criminals who needed her to win. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBwQwYBshqg
Lying, cheating, stealing, and weaponizing FBI/NSA/DOJ.
They make old J Edgar Hoover look like a man wearing a dress. :-0

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From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

Anyone still yammering on about Hillary -
who has no power, and is doing nothing -
while Trump's goons tear down the world
and sell it off - is so far out of touch
with reality that there's just no point
to a dialog. Not even Fox News will run
the kind of bs you've been posting. :)
That's how out of it that stuff is...

.

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On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 7:56:23 PM UTC-5, Jeremy H. Donovan wrote:

Anyone still yammering on about Hillary -
who has no power, and is doing nothing -
while Trump's goons tear down the world
and sell it off - is so far out of touch
with reality that there's just no point
to a dialog. Not even Fox News will run
the kind of bs you've been posting. :)
That's how out of it that stuff is...

.

Checkmate = Checkmate
Clown Cars = Clown Cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEElrAhB3Uc
Rosenstein: "No Allegation in This Indictment That Any American Had Any Knowledge" Of Russian Election Influence Operation
Posted By Tim Hains
On Date February 16, 2018

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein held a brief press conference Friday to explain details in the indictment of 13 Russians over alleged election interference. Rosenstein said that no Americans had any knowledge of the operation listed in this
indictment and that the operation had no impact on the outcome of the election.

ROD ROSENSTEIN: The indictment charges 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies for committing federal crimes while seeking to interfere in the United States political system, including the 2016 presidential election.

The defendants allegedly conducted what they called information warfare against the United States, with the stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates and the political system in general.

According to the allegations in the indictment, 12 of the individual defendants worked, at various times, for a company called Internet Research Agency, LLC, a Russian company based in St. Petersburg.

The other individual defendant, Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, funded the conspiracy through companies known as Concord Management and Consulting, LLC; Concord Catering; and many affiliates and subsidiaries. The conspiracy was part
of a larger
operation called Project Lakhta. Project Lakhta included multiple components, some involving domestic audiences within the Russian Federation, and others targeting foreign audiences in multiple countries.

Internet Research Agency allegedly operated through Russian shell companies. It employed hundreds of people in its online operations, ranging from creators of fictitious personas, to technical and administrative support personnel, with an annual
budget of millions of dollars.

Internet Research Agency was a structured organization headed by a management group and arranged into departments, including graphics, search engine optimization, information technology and finance departments.

In 2014, the company established a translator project focused on the United
States. In July of 2016, more than 80 employees were assigned to the translator
project. Two of the defendants allegedly traveled to the United States in 2014 to collect
intelligence for their American influence operations.

In order to hide the Russian origins of their activities, the departments allegedly purchased space on computer servers located here in the United States
in order to set up a virtual private network. The defendants allegedly used that infrastructure
to establish hundreds of accounts on social media networks such as Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, making it appear that those accounts were controlled by persons located in the United States.

They used stolen or fictitious American identities, fraudulent bank accounts and false identification documents. The defendants posed as politically and socially active Americans, advocating for and against particular candidates. They established
social media pages and groups to communicate with unwitting Americans. They also purchased political advertisements on social media networks.

The Russians also recruited and paid real Americans to engage in political activities, promote political campaigns and stage political rallies. The defendants and their co-conspirators pretended to be grassroots activists. According to the indictment,
the Americans did not know that they were communicating with Russians.

After the election, the defendants allegedly staged rallies to support the president-elect, while simultaneously staging rallies to protest his election. For example, the defendants organized one rally to support the president-elect and another rally
to oppose him, both in New York, on the same day.

On September 13th of 2017, soon after the news media reported that the special counsel's office was investigating evidence that Russian operatives had
used social media to interfere with the 2016 election, one defendant allegedly wrote, quote, "We
had a slight crisis here at work. The FBI busted our activity. So I got preoccupied with covering tracks together with my colleagues," end quote.

The indictment includes eight criminal counts. Count one alleges a criminal
conspiracy to defraud the United States by all of the defendants. The defendants allegedly conspired to defraud America by impairing the lawful functions of the Federal
Election Commission, the United States Department of Justice and the Department
of State.

Those organizations of the U.S. government are responsible for administering federal requirements for disclosure of foreign involvement in certain domestic activities.

Count two charges conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud by Internet Research Agency and two of the individual defendants. And counts three
through eight charge aggravated identity theft by Internet Research Agency and four individuals.

Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election.

I want to caution you that everyone changed with a crime is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in court. At trial, prosecutors must introduce credible evidence that is sufficient to prove each defendant guilty beyond any reasonable
doubt to a unanimous jury. The special counsel's investigation is ongoing. There will be no comments from the special counsel at this time.

This indictment serves as a reminder that people are not always who they appear to be on the internet. The indictment alleges that the Russian conspirators want to promote discord in the United States and undermine public confidence in democracy. We
must not allow them to succeed.

The Department of Justice will continue to work cooperatively with other law enforcement and intelligence agencies and with the Congress to defend our nation against similar current and future efforts.

I want to thank the federal agents and prosecutors who are working on this case for their exceptional service, and I'll be happy to take a few questions.

QUESTION: Jack, is there concern that this -- the (ph) indictment undermines the outcome of the election?

ROSENSTEIN: Well, haven't I (ph) identified for you the allegations in the indictment? There's no allegation in the indictment of any effect on the outcome of the election.

Jessica.

QUESTION: On page 4 of the indictment, paragraph 6, it specifically talks about the Trump campaign, saying that defendants communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign.

My question is, later in the indictment, campaign officials are referenced,
not by their name; by "campaign official 1" or "2" or "3." Were campaign officials cooperative, or were they duped? What is their relationship with this?

ROSENSTEIN: Again, there's no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge. And the nature of the scheme was the defendants took extraordinary steps to make it appear that they were ordinary American political activists, even
going so far as to base their activities on a virtual private network here in the United States so, if anybody traced it back to that first jump, they appeared to be Americans.

Catherine?

STAFF: We'll take one more question.

QUESTION: Have you had any assurances from the Russians that they will provide these individuals for prosecution?

ROSENSTEIN: There's been no communication with the Russians about this. We'll follow the ordinary process of seeking cooperation and extradition. Thank
you very much.


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PIP's Used Clown Car For Sail

Cooking up constructs in cool whip dreams
Dusty roads respite in lakes of clown tears
Stars run away frightened by competing teams
Small circles reflect the final walls open fears

Farmer sends his prize cows off to Elephant University
Hoping to they'll figure eight skate their way into PHD's
Tired bullfighters line up with red capes to cellophane slaughter
Laughing when they turn back to charge the jester wayward daughter

She spits on the ground and frowns as they all disappear
Except the trio who grazed outward towards commencements gears
Returning from nowhere they take up the watch
Try not to leer at the stockyards barn houses in hock to a blotch

With great remorse and determined zeal
Bobo and Bozo set off to make a new deal
Droopy and Doodles warned them not go
Offering to cosign a loan to by them new wheels
But Bobo and Bozo had seen the scissor forked 2016
Running low to the ground before rising ten feet high
Subtle shades of tri-coat red white and blue startling eyes
These new clown cars were surety: the answers to dreams
With clown car horns that lay fog banks on top of schemes
Good guys and bad guys lost in rolling wisps of despise

Pips was smiling at his Used Clown Car Lot as our troubadours approach
The two Bo's know Poems In Progress is a subject PIP will never broach
Each man's metal skin is his temp eternal soul and his human life's coach
Every jester knows a fallen ship trap in the sky is how a clown dies hoaxed

The two Bo's handle a bill of ladle detailing the brilliant design
Pip looks on cautiously always super quick to sell and duper slow to buy
Baggy Britches and Boom Boom clueless toot their emergency klaxon horn behind
A circle of ice appears baking PIP's inventory of Trix roadsters into frozen PI Trumpets sound as The Jester's baby girl orchestra arrives in no quarter grinds Race track rings the icy center field as mechanics trot out new four wheel lines

Glitterbug and Grotesque heckle Humpdy The Hobo while Gracious' freckles flutter
Mr. Jumbo sings jingles about The Jester's daughter needing a travelin show Tempo's rising at the little zero where they wait for the new model to arrive Seats are filling as the stadium is drilling deeper than it ever drilled before Big ball of the old dull white bright point to sphere slowly begins to alight Horizon yawns as helmeted body armored fascisti approach with automatic flags Kilmo Kicker and Lulu Lollypop sing a happy song to the red carpet withdrawing Diamond dome walls hold liitle doors open last chance for stragglers today
Ten thousand clowns and enough cars and fire engines to get the players to play

Mickey Minstrel sings in the racers edges as the revelers admire the inventory while Patches Pedrolini pulls numbers from a top hat Pogo Pockets calls out Sparky Ruffles draws eighteen wheeled Green Gremlin, Tipsy Tramp takes Shotgun A red hot little buggy zipping to light speed before three point two turns run Waldo Twinkletoes pulls the Dragons Car slip from the glowing crystal punch bowl
On and on the numbers and car slips come to tumbling jesters ready to go around A finish line is festooned to top a loop of Scruffy Tatter's derby figure eight A starter line marooned to the bottom loop where Tickly Skittles fires his gun



Embrace Your Inner Hitler

Ten days of pure water cures the worlds ills
Forty days of clear light restores the worlds wills
Draws the inner hell outward the outer heaven inwards
The devils and gods pack a suitcase, round trip all aboard.

So were all one
That's what, the what you used to be, used to say-say-say.
So were all done
Till some other version made you a who in search of a clue to play

A boat, a ship an ocean, a world a universe
There all disposable hankies when truth is you curse
Now is now today is today
Move by move truth shall conquer
It is so inevitable
It hurts every step of the way
We carry umbrellas and boots for the children
But were addicted to the pain
It restores sight motion and consciousness
Never pondering the need to explain the train
An eternal now blasting through the rocks of infini

If you say it it is sewn
You gain that power when your alone
If you say twice it has grown
You train that power with a bone
Used as an arrow to pierce your tone
Up and away, off they go
The time of miracles appears
From above and below
A five crown rainbow on loan
Rivers run swiftly circling new trees
A new found baby's bower just set free
Embrace your inner Hitler
Jesus can then be freed
Where the darknesses and the lights
Butt heads in the churning seas of chaos zero divides

So were all one
That's what, the what you used to be, used to say-say-say.
So were all done
Till some other version, made you a who, in search of a clue to play

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

So... what happened to the "lying, cheating, stealing, and
weaponizing FBI/NSA/DOJ." :)

They're as evil as Satan until they say something you like. :)

Actually, the intelligence community already unanimously concluded
more than a year ago that the Russians attempted to interfere with
the US election in favor of Trump.

The only thing new about these 13 indictments is the specificity.

Perhaps the reason you like this new development, aside from how
you never notice the gaping holes in your own logic, is that
you've failed to notice two things about this statement:

"No Allegation in This Indictment That Any American
Had Any Knowledge" Of Russian Election Influence Operation"

1. The key word, as it pertains to Trump is... "This".
In *this* indictment... :)

2. The "Russian Election Influence" operation, specifically
pertaining to the 13 indicted individuals is only one issue
among several potentially relevant issues.

As an aside, all individuals associated with the Trump campaign
do all things "unwittingly", at all times. So that wasn't really
news either. :)

The main REAL issue associated with this latest news is merely
that it makes it all the more obvious that for more than a year,
after extensive interference by Russians in our elections,
Trump has not only done NOTHING about it but spent most of his time
calling it "a hoax" or "an excuse", and tweeting inane bs trying
to get people to forget about it, and even worse, actively fighting
against the intelligence agencies looking into it - trying to get
them to stop.

Trump was even trying to get rid of Rosenstein - the guy who made
this latest announcement - as well as trying to get rid of the
latest head of the FBI, Christopher Wray, a man HE had appointed.

Trump repeatedly gloated about how these Russian interference efforts
started before he became a candidate, but that's just more bad logic,
since he's obviously glossing over the more important conclusion
that they evolved toward overwhelmingly supporting HIS candidacy.

Even if you don't ask the obvious questions... why has Trump been
so effin' defensive about all this? Why does he act so damn guilty?
Why have he and his staff lied so much about it? What more is he
trying to hide here? Even if you don't ask all these questions,
at a minimum, you still have to observe how this is just one more
way in which Trump has demonstrated an utter lack of leadership.
His continual focus has been only on how it could affect HIM.

The Russians are already prepping to interfere further in our
NEXT elections (this is factual) yet the Trump administration still
hasn't done diddly to help put a stop to it. He's been fighting
mostly against intelligence agencies trying to uncover and stop it.

As usual, Trump doesn't give a shit about anything but himself! :)
He makes that clearer every single time he opens his mouth.

Obama had already hit Russia with sanctions over this interference
in 2016 before leaving office. Trump, otoh, who was in a position
to know much more had he ever availed himself of the opportunity,
has been in some strange self-centered denial mode for over a year -
maybe because he's a blind narcissist who cares only about himself.
(Or, maybe he's still hiding something really awful). Either way,
THIS is the problem: he hasn't done squat about any of it.

Even if Trump is not somehow guilty of collusion with Russians,
or of obstruction of justice regarding his own FBI and DOJ,
or of failure to divest from business privilege and influence,
at a minimum, he's merely an idiot who does NOTHING about
real problems and even pretends those problems don't exist
until he's finally forced to acknowledge them. As usual.
That's how he does everything. Everything. At a minimum,
he's just a self-centered fool, oblivious to reality.

How could anyone really want a President who acts that way?

To me, this whole situation is almost inconceivably bad,
even if somehow Trump isn't guilty of collusion with Russians.
You still have to wonder why so many of his people lied about
their concealed activities with the Russians so many times.
At a minimum, that proved none of them have any real integrity.
It strongly suggests Trump is still hiding stuff even worse
than what has already been uncovered.

***

Note: I wrote this rant before reading the opinion column below,
which echoes my views.

****

Columnist Thomas Friedman (a 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner):

Whatever Trump Is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now

Our democracy is in serious danger.

President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy.

That is, either Trump’s real estate empire has taken large amounts of money from shady oligarchs linked to the Kremlin — so much that they literally own him; or rumors are true that he engaged in sexual misbehavior while he was in Moscow running the
Miss Universe contest, which Russian intelligence has on tape and he doesn’t want released; or Trump actually believes Russian President Vladimir Putin when
he says he is innocent of intervening in our elections — over the explicit findings of Trump�
�s own C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I. chiefs.

In sum, Trump is either hiding something so threatening to himself, or he’s criminally incompetent to be commander in chief. It is impossible yet to say which explanation for his behavior is true, but it seems highly likely that one
of these scenarios
explains Trump’s refusal to respond to Russia’s direct attack on our system
— a quiescence that is simply unprecedented for any U.S. president in history. Russia is not our friend. It has acted in a hostile manner. And Trump keeps ignoring it all.

Up to now, Trump has been flouting the norms of the presidency. Now Trump’s behavior amounts to a refusal to carry out his oath of office — to protect and defend the Constitution. Here’s an imperfect but close analogy: It’s as
if George W. Bush
had said after 9/11: “No big deal. I am going golfing over the weekend in Florida and blogging about how it’s all the Democrats’ fault — no need to
hold a National Security Council meeting.”

At a time when the special prosecutor Robert Mueller — leveraging several years of intelligence gathering by the F.B.I., C.I.A. and N.S.A. — has brought indictments against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian groups — all linked in some way to
the Kremlin — for interfering with the 2016 U.S. elections, America needs a president who will lead our nation’s defense against this attack on the integrity of our electoral democracy.

What would that look like? He would educate the public on the scale of the problem; he would bring together all the stakeholders — state and local election authorities, the federal government, both parties and all the owners of social networks that the
Russians used to carry out their interference — to mount an effective defense; and he would bring together our intelligence and military experts to mount an effective offense against Putin — the best defense of all.

What we have instead is a president vulgarly tweeting that the Russians are “laughing their asses off in Moscow” for how we’ve been investigating their interventions — and exploiting the terrible school shooting in Florida — and the failure of
the F.B.I. to properly forward to its Miami field office a tip on the killer — to throw the entire F.B.I. under the bus and create a new excuse to shut down the Mueller investigation.

Think for a moment how demented was Trump’s Saturday night tweet: “Very sad
that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion
with the Trump campaign — there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!”

To the contrary. Our F.B.I., C.I.A. and N.S.A., working with the special counsel, have done us amazingly proud. They’ve uncovered a Russian program to
divide Americans and tilt our last election toward Trump — i.e., to undermine
the very core of our
democracy — and Trump is telling them to get back to important things like tracking would-be school shooters. Yes, the F.B.I. made a mistake in Florida. But it acted heroically on Russia. What is more basic than protecting American democracy?

It is so obvious what Trump is up to: Again, he is either a total sucker for Putin or, more likely, he is hiding something that he knows the Russians have on him, and he knows that the longer Mueller’s investigation goes on, the more likely he will be
to find and expose it.

Donald, if you are so innocent, why do you go to such extraordinary lengths to try to shut Mueller down? And if you are really the president — not still head of the Trump Organization, who moonlights as president, which is how you so often behave —
why don’t you actually lead — lead not only a proper cyberdefense of our elections, but also an offense against Putin.

Putin used cyberwarfare to poison American politics, to spread fake news, to help elect a chaos candidate, all in order to weaken our democracy. We should be using our cyber-capabilities to spread the truth about Putin — just how much money he has
stolen, just how many lies he has spread, just how many rivals he has jailed or
made disappear — all to weaken his autocracy. That is what a real president would be doing right now.

My guess is what Trump is hiding has to do with money. It’s something about his financial ties to business elites tied to the Kremlin. They may own a big stake in him. Who can forget that quote from his son Donald Trump Jr. from back
in 2008: “
Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” They may own our president.

But whatever it is, Trump is either trying so hard to hide it or is so naïve about Russia that he is ready to not only resist mounting a proper defense of our democracy, he’s actually ready to undermine some of our most important institutions, the F.B.
I. and Justice Department, to keep his compromised status hidden.

That must not be tolerated. This is code red. The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office.

***

Unfortunately, that is true. The horrible clown in the oval office
is helping tear down the foundations of US democracy - and not
just in this way, either. In several different ways.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 10:02:06 PM UTC-8, imaginenoguns wrote:

oh ... and by the way.....
you have a happy valentines day
you all hear now ok?

sure pal.

First a couple of clips from Colbert...

Is anyone here human?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buFbk5fQCRc

God's Stance on the NRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYCSnW4D1g

***

Trump's personal notes reminding him to say 'I hear you'
during a listening session with shooting survivors
http://tinyurl.com/y7u2fec7

***

Scientific American
6 Things to Know about Mass Shootings in America

http://tinyurl.com/yc3f9nyo

Excerpts:

As a criminologist, I have reviewed recent research in hopes of debunking some of the common misconceptions I hear creeping into discussions that spring up whenever a mass shooting occurs.

MORE GUNS DON’T MAKE YOU SAFER

Mass shootings also took place in 25 other wealthy nations between 1983 and 2013, but the number of mass shootings in the United States far surpasses that of any other country included in the study during the same period of time.
...
*the US had nearly double the number of mass shootings than all other 24 countries combined in the same 30-year period*.

***

SHOOTINGS ARE MORE FREQUENT

A recent study published by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center shows that the frequency of mass shooting is increasing over time. The researchers measured the increase by calculating the time between the occurrence of mass shootings. According to
the research, the days separating mass shooting occurrence went from on average
200 days during the period of 1983 to 2011 to 64 days since 2011.

What is most alarming with mass shootings is the fact that this increasing trend is moving in the opposite direction of overall intentional homicide rates
in the US, which decreased by almost 50% since 1993 and in Europe where intentional homicides
decreased by 40% between 2003 and 2013.

RESTRICTING SALES WORKS

Due to the Second Amendment, the United States has permissive gun licensing laws. This is in contrast to most developed countries, which have restrictive laws.
...
Countries with more restrictive gun licensing laws show fewer deaths by firearms and a lower gun ownership rate.

The majority of active shooters are linked to mental health issues, bullying and disgruntled employees. Active shooters may be motivated by a variety of personal or political motivations, usually not aimed at weakening government legitimacy. Frequent
motivations are revenge or a quest for power.

BACKGROUND CHECKS WORK

In most restrictive background checks performed in developed countries, citizens are required to train for gun handling, obtain a license for hunting or provide proof of membership to a shooting range.

Individuals must prove that they do not belong to any “prohibited group,” such as the mentally ill, criminals, children or those at high risk of committing violent crime, such as individuals with a police record of threatening the life of another.

Here’s the bottom line. With these provisions, most US active shooters would have been denied the purchase of a firearm.

***

Finally, a couple of clips from Trevor Noah and Samantha Bee:

Stumbling Through Gun Control Debates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q34E5ONJSbA

Again? Again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t88X1pYQu-I

Pray?
Sit quietly in a room with your eyes closed talking to nobody?
That's your 'solution'? Bullshit!

***

We're just totally stupid, brainwashed domesticated apes. At least,
most US Republicans are. :) Look at this fucking graph from the
Scientific American article one more time:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nmgz0tuqz1sx8ma/30Mass.jpg?dl=0

Are our lawmakers totally insane? Are they that bought and paid for?
When over 90% of the American people WANT sane gun control, we still
can't get it? What??

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

In the category of Pretense vs. Pretense... this is happening today.
There's also some fun history from 1967.

From Rolling Stone
By Lilly Dancyger
February 24, 2017

Witches vs. Christians: it's a rivalry that dates back centuries, spanning from
King Arthur's court to Salem, Massachusetts. And now the latest battle between the two will begin this Friday night, over President Donald Trump's soul.

At midnight on February 24th, witches around the world plan to cast a binding spell on Trump "and all who abet him" to stunt his power to do damage. And the Christian Nationalist Alliance, a right-wing group that believes America to be a Christian nation
"founded by Christian men upon Christian tenets," will try to out-magic the witches with a day of prayer.

The instructions to participate in the witches' spell call for a "tiny stub of an orange candle" to represent Trump, and an optional piece of fool's gold. (Nobody can say that witches don't have a sense of humor.) Over candles and a Tower tarot card (
representing "the end," "destruction," and "having plans disrupted" – and also perhaps a nod to the president's signature building), participants are to call on spirits to "Bind [Trump] so that he shall not […] fill our minds with
hate, confusion,
fear, or despair," among other things.

The spell will be cast on every following waning moon (symbolic of something diminishing, weakening, or disappearing) until Trump leaves office. There's a Facebook page, where witches and well-wishers can suggest alternative versions of the spell, and
spread the word. (Apparently Lana Del Ray is on board, according a cryptic tweet the singer sent out on Thursday.)

This isn't the first attempt to magically intervene against Trump – back in September 2015, a group Brooklyn women put together a spell (and accompanying video titled "Brujas Hex Trump") to block his early campaign efforts. Then in October 2016, a
group in Vermont called "Feminists Against Trump" held a "witch in" where they called for a "mass hexing" to "cast magical spells of love and feminism to destroy the Great Orange One and the racism, xenophobia and sexism he feeds on." And just this month,
another group of witches cast a spell, focusing their energy all at once at snapping an artery known as "the widowmaker" in Trump's heart. The call to participate, put out on Facebook by a Pittsburgh-based artist, explained, "We don't wanna kill him, we
just wanna break his heart."

The particular kind of spell called for here, known as a binding spell, is specifically focused on preventing the subject from doing harm to others – as
opposed to a hex, which calls for harm to come to the subject, in particular. Think Glenda the Good
Witch reversing the Wicked Witch's magic by waking up Dorothy and her companions with a surprise snow.

"This is not the equivalent of magically punching a Nazi," Michael M. Hughes, the self-proclaimed "magical thinker" and novelist wrote in the Medium post where he shared the spell instructions. "Rather, it is ripping the bullhorn from his hands, smashing
his phone so he can't tweet, tying him up, and throwing him in a dark basement where he can't hurt anyone."

Hughes pointed out that parallels could be drawn to the 1967 exorcism and levitation of the pentagon, which was more performance art than a genuine attempt to perform magic. There, 50,000 anti-war protestors (including Abbie Hoffman and Alan Ginsberg),
tried to rid the pentagon of war-hungry evil through exorcism, and to use their
collective power to levitate it. The pentagon did not levitate, and the war continued for eight more years.

But, Hughes noted, "many are clearly taking it very seriously." That group apparently includes the Christian Nationalist Alliance, who called for the day of prayer to "counter" the "ritualistic curse," which they've referred to as "a
declaration of
spiritual war."

"We beseech all Christian soldiers," they posted on their site, "to join us in praying for the strength of our nation, our elected representatives and for the
souls of the lost who would take up Satanic arms against us."

In another article on their anti-Islam, pro-life site, the CNA claims that the Holy War actually started a few weeks ago, when Melania Trump's recited the Lord's Prayer at her husband's Florida rally. Whenever the supposed Holy War was declared, the CNA
calls it "a fight [they] have been waiting for."

***

Battle of the imaginary friends. Go!!

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From: allreadydun@gmail.com

maybe the imaginary big cahuena in the sky
won't intervene too ?

nothing from nothing will give nothing.

national nada burger day perhaps?

chow down putos.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 11:33:18 AM UTC-8, imaginenoguns wrote:

chow down putos.

LOL! :)

Yeah, it's funny until people start dying.
You know, like until the next 'inquisition' or 'holy war'.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Did I Get Him?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bzd28o2p968v1kf/Did_I.jpg?dl=0

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Devin Nunes is batshit crazy,
and Stephen Colbert is fucking hilarious! :)

The article below is from The Washington Post

Nunes echoes Trump’s authoritarian view on press, says
Stephen Colbert’s skit about him is a ‘danger’ to the country http://tinyurl.com/y9x6z859

YouTube, 'Stephen Colbert Grabs Capitol Hill By The Memo': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNnRbYj6Rnc

Republican Senator Jeff Flake's speech comparing President Trump
to Joseph Stalin and criticizing his attacks on the media: https://tinyurl.com/ya99ggrx

Article Excerpts:

One of the nation's exercises in democracy can be found on late-night TV. Hosts
crack sharply critical jokes about the country's politicians without fear of retribution from said politicians.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) sees that exercise
very differently. He told Fox News Channel that a skit Stephen Colbert did mocking Nunes's memo alleging FBI bias in the Russia investigation is a danger to the country...

“I think this is the danger we have in this country,” Nunes told host Neil Cavuto on Saturday in response. “This is an example of it.”

Except, two things:

1. We live in a free-speech society, and

2. Colbert is a comedian.

Unlike journalists, Colbert has no obligation to report the facts or even be unbiased. His job is to make people laugh, not to be fair to politicians. Through the First Amendment, this country's founders allowed Colbert to make fun of whichever powerful
person he wants to without fear of retribution from that person.

Nunes's “danger” comment makes more sense when viewed through an authoritarian lens — that free speech can somehow undermine government that has been functioning for nearly 250 years.

Nunes's allies in the White House have increasingly decided to see the world through the lens of authoritarianism. Instead of rebutting their critics, White
House officials have resorted, a number of times, to saying it's irresponsible to criticize the
president and his staff. One of the most egregious examples came in October when White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said it would be “highly inappropriate” for journalists to fact-check Chief of Staff John F.
Kelly, because he's a
general. But there are plenty more such instances...

Nunes denies any kind of coordinated effort between him and the White House to undermine the Russia investigation. But in trying to denigrate his critics, Nunes certainly appears to be adopting some of the president's more controversial tactics.

To defend his point that Colbert's jokes are dangerous, Nunes spun off a conspiracy theory filled with factual inaccuracies that Hollywood and Democrats
are working together to make fun of him because they have failed in the public sphere to debunk him.

“The left controls the universities in this country, Hollywood and the mainstream media,” Nunes told Cavuto, “so conservatives in this country are
under attack, and I think this is great example of it.”

Nunes falsely told Cavuto that his memo provides “clear proof” that the Democratic Party colluded with Russians. (Fact check: There is an independent investigation looking into potential Trump-Russia collusion, not into Democrats
and Russia.)

Nunes also claimed that the FBI opened an investigation into the Trump campaign
specifically to spy on it. (Fact check: The FBI got a warrant from a secret court to spy on former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page after Page had left the campaign, and
there's no evidence that the FBI spied on the Trump campaign itself. )

.

Senator Flake's speech is excellent.
Every American should hear it in its entirety.

.

To further emphasize the point about 'truth':

Neil Degrasse Tyson on 'Truth In the Trump Era': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHkxdwJ8bw

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

I personally can't stand Jeff Sessions. He's like a weird throwback
to the 1950's or something, but even Sessions has proven that
he has far more integrity than Donald Trump does.

***

Excerpt from NY Times Opinion piece...

Why Sessions Is Right to Stand Up to Trump
http://tinyurl.com/y8ns63a9

"Last Wednesday gave us a spectacle never before seen in the 228-year history of relations between American presidents and their attorneys general. President
Trump publicly attacked Jeff Sessions, his attorney general, as “DISGRACEFUL” for refusing
to unleash his prosecutors on Mr. Trump’s political enemies — seemingly suggesting that the attorney general should quit (and not very subtly at that).
Mr. Sessions, equally publicly, stood his ground. He fired back that he was acting with “
integrity and honor,” and emphasized that “law and the Constitution” are his guideposts...

We agree that the attorney general was right to take a stand, and that he is to
be applauded for doing so. What is at stake in this dispute is nothing less than American rule of law. For that reason, Mr. Sessions should stay right where he is to defend
it, including rejecting Mr. Trump’s apparent effort to force his resignation.

To understand the enormous stakes here, some context is necessary. President Trump was once a fan of the attorney general — that is, until Mr. Sessions had the nerve to recuse himself from the Russia investigation last year. Doing so was the right call
legally. Mr. Sessions had served as chairman of the Trump campaign’s national
security advisory committee, and applicable ethics rules require campaign officials to recuse themselves from investigations of their campaigns.

We now know that Mr. Sessions did the right thing in the face of intense pressure from the president, who had ordered Don McGahn, the White House counsel, to lobby Mr. Sessions not to recuse himself. When Mr. Sessions did so anyway, President Trump fumed
and asked, “Where’s my Roy Cohn?”

Mr. Sessions’s recusal left the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, free
to appoint Robert Mueller as special counsel to oversee the Russia investigation. When President Trump learned of the appointment, he reportedly unloaded on Mr. Sessions,
calling him an “idiot.” The attorney general told the president he would resign and later delivered a resignation letter to the White House, though the president apparently returned it with the note “not accepted” at the top. Since then the
president’s temper has periodically erupted at Mr. Sessions publicly and privately, with one report saying Mr. Trump was hoping Mr. Sessions might be embarrassed into resigning.

Wednesday’s apparent renewal of that effort was the most startling episode yet. It began when Mr. Sessions suggested that the inspector general for the Department of Justice would handle allegations advanced in a memorandum, endorsed by the Republican
majority on the House Intelligence Committee, that the department had improperly obtained surveillance warrants for a former Trump campaign aide. Such a referral is a normal move for allegations of misconduct, and one that Mr. Sessions’s predecessors
from both parties have frequently taken. But it infuriated President Trump, who
tweeted, “Why is A.G. Jeff Sessions asking the Inspector General to investigate potentially massive FISA abuse. Will take forever, has no prosecutorial power and already
late with reports on Comey etc. Isn’t the I.G. an Obama guy? Why not use Justice Department lawyers? DISGRACEFUL!”

Mr. Sessions offered this dignified response: “As long as I am the Attorney General, I will continue to discharge my duties with integrity and honor, and this Department will continue to do its work in a fair and impartial manner according to the law
and Constitution.” Mr. Trump may be renewing his effort to push Mr. Sessions out, but this time, Mr. Sessions is not handing in a resignation letter.

Lest there be any doubt about that, Mr. Sessions very publicly dined... with Mr. Rosenstein and the solicitor general, Noel Francisco. They are the second and third in the line of succession at the department, respectively, should Mr.
Trump fire Mr.
Sessions. The dinner sent the message that the attorney general’s colleagues support him.

This is no mere personnel flap. The principle that the president is attacking — and that Mr. Sessions and his colleagues are standing up for — is central
to the administration of justice in America. It is that the awesome powers wielded by the
attorney general and those who work for him should never be deployed for political purposes. Those powers can deprive defendants of their liberty, their
property, even their lives. Merely investigating someone can be crushing. That should only be done
when demanded by justice — not the whim of a president. It is a Solomonic solution by Mr. Sessions to refer Mr. Trump’s allegations for initial screening to a neutral fact-finder. Contrary to Mr. Trump’s tweeted suggestion, that is precisely the
role of the Justice Department’s inspector general.

It is critical to the rule of law that Mr. Sessions stay right where he is. We are heartened that he refused to budge, and we hope he will continue to do so.

A Sessions firing might, like the termination of James Comey, the former F.B.I.
director, be viewed by Mr. Mueller as possible obstruction of justice. That is especially true if the special counsel is, as has been reported, already investigating the
president’s July attempt to oust Mr. Sessions.

Firing Mr. Sessions would also jeopardize the president’s relationship with Senate Republicans. Senators Jeff Flake, Bob Corker and John McCain have already publicly broken ranks with the president on various matters. There are others, like Senators
Charles Grassley and Lindsey Graham, whose loyalty to Mr. Sessions, their former colleague, likely runs deeper than their allegiance to the president. He
is counting on Senate Republicans to serve as a firewall against the Russia investigation and much
more. A Sessions firing would most likely breach it.

If Mr. Sessions is fired, President Trump will have a hard time finding someone
with the integrity required to earn Senate confirmation and the proven personal
loyalty he demands.

And therein lies the problem. At the end of the day, Jeff Sessions is no Roy Cohn. He is a man of integrity who may serve at the pleasure of the president, but this week he demonstrated his fealty to the rule of law and the Constitution.

.

Trump is dirty and dangerous in so many ways.
He MUST be neutralized or ejected to restore sanity in this country.

.

LA Times article...

Sam Nunberg, former Trump aide, vows to defy special counsel
but hints at Russia case against president

http://tinyurl.com/yal8ok3y

Excerpts:

In a bizarre episode, Sam Nunberg, a former aide to Donald Trump, vowed Monday not to cooperate with the special counsel investigating Russian political interference even as he suggested that the president "may have done something" improper during the
campaign.

It was a head-snapping statement from a onetime Trump loyalist, although it was
unclear whether Nunberg had any evidence to back up his comments.

Trump fired Nunberg in August 2015, soon after he had announced his presidential bid, when racist comments on Nunberg's Facebook account were exposed.

The latest chain of events began when Nunberg started granting interviews to reporters about a two-page subpoena he received from Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III, who is leading the criminal investigation into whether anyone from
Trump's team
illegally aided Russian attempts to interfere with the presidential campaign.

The subpoena requires Nunberg, who has already been interviewed by investigators, to appear before a grand jury on Friday and to turn over any emails, correspondence, telephone logs or other records he had involving the president and nine others,
including former strategist Stephen K. Bannon, outgoing White House communications director Hope Hicks, and longtime advisor Roger Stone.

But Nunberg said he was not going to comply with the subpoena, either by providing documents or testifying. He could be held in contempt or even jailed for refusing to honor a grand jury subpoena, but the possibility didn't seem to
faze him, at least for
now.

"Let [Mueller] arrest me," he told the Washington Post.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Something funny...

When I awoke this morning, my hypnagogia for a few minutes was of
nuclear bombs exploding everywhere, like the end of Dr. Strangelove.

Then this is in the news:

"In a potential historic breakthrough, North Korea has offered to
freeze its illicit nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs
to engage in talks with the United States, South Korean officials
said Tuesday."

Kim's negotiators also said they would cease any new nuclear tests
and missile launches as the talks progress.

"The North Korean side clearly stated its willingness to
denuclearize," South Korea's government said in a statement.
"It made it clear that it would have no reason to keep nuclear
weapons if the military threat to the North was eliminated
and its security guaranteed."

North Korea's apparent offer to give up its growing nuclear arsenal
only if the "military threat" against it and its dynastic leadership
were removed could complicate talks.

That broad wording could mean Pyongyang will insist the United States
cease its annual military exercises with the South — or potentially
leave the peninsula entirely, as North Korea has long sought.

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On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 5:16:23 PM UTC-8, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) sees that

exercise very differently. He told Fox News Channel that a skit Stephen Colbert
did mocking Nunes's memo alleging FBI bias in the Russia investigation is a danger to the country...

“I think this is the danger we have in this country,” Nunes told host

Neil Cavuto on Saturday in response. “This is an example of it.”

Stephen Colbert vs. Devin Nunes (Part 2 - follow up)

Rep. Devin Nunes told Fox News he wasn't aware of the Late Show
reaching out for comment during Stephen's trip to Washington.
But Stephen has receipts...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgqy3o6ec-8

:)

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From: slider@anashram.com

Something funny...

When I awoke this morning, my hypnagogia for a few minutes was of
nuclear bombs exploding everywhere, like the end of Dr. Strangelove.

Then this is in the news:

"In a potential historic breakthrough, North Korea has offered to
freeze its illicit nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs
to engage in talks with the United States, South Korean officials
said Tuesday."

Kim's negotiators also said they would cease any new nuclear tests
and missile launches as the talks progress.

"The North Korean side clearly stated its willingness to
denuclearize," South Korea's government said in a statement.
"It made it clear that it would have no reason to keep nuclear
weapons if the military threat to the North was eliminated
and its security guaranteed."

North Korea's apparent offer to give up its growing nuclear arsenal
only if the "military threat" against it and its dynastic leadership
were removed could complicate talks.

That broad wording could mean Pyongyang will insist the United States
cease its annual military exercises with the South — or potentially
leave the peninsula entirely, as North Korea has long sought.

### - even in a lightly altered state such as you describe we might be
slightly more receptive to stuff that's just now going on/down around us;
the nuclear news you awoke to you somehow maybe sensed while lying there, nothing specific in that instance/example just the raw symbols, so maybe
just the growing general global buzz of a kinda nuclear sigh of relief as
hopes rise upon the world receiving such news, and you sensed some of it directly (in the negative) kinda thing albeit completely unawares of what
was occurring, the context of it, & why...

a bit like chris and his blue-blazer-geezer thingy that time perhaps,
although in his case he was actually dreaming (i.e., deeper in) so there
were more specific details involved etc...

if true, and providing it happened several more times to you involving say different subjects, you'd begin to get used to it and not be quite so surprised/jolted by such seemingly striking coincidences

it's a theory :)

otoh heh; maybe the end of dr strangelove IS what's on its way! and the
first news we have today of so-called 'peace-talks' in that direction is
the bs-news that gonna lead right up to it, only you've already seen right through it to the end!

who knows! but let's hope not anyway haha ;)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Trump's tariffs will have little impact on China. That country
supplies less than 5 percent of the steel and about 10 percent
of the aluminum that the United States imports. Further,
a vast majority of metal imports from China are already subject
to tariffs put into place by previous administrations.

The primary victims of the tariffs will be American allies
like the European Union and South Korea. And the main effect
they may have is only to start trade wars with our allies.

***

Stephen Werthheim of the Washington Post:
'Trump isn’t an isolationist. He is a militarist, something far
worse... Rather than seeking to withdraw from the world, he vows
to exploit it. Far from limiting the area of war, he threatens
ruthless violence against globe-spanning adversaries and glorifies
martial victory... Trump has appointed two Marine generals,
Jim Mattis and John F. Kelly, to his Cabinet... Trump rose to power
by presenting a horror show of enemies, from Mexico to Iran to China
to radical Islamic terrorism... “Our military dominance must be unquestioned,” the White House declared on Day One, and Trump plans
to build up America’s already supreme military.'

Wertheim thinks we should fear: "a peace candidate turned warmonger,
a populist outsider serving arms dealers and autocrats."

He has indeed been making some large arms deals. And the
Republicans do indeed want a huge increase in military spending.
(To the detriment of social spending.)

It all makes me wonder... how will Trump really do in peace talks
with North Korea? I can foresee the possibility that failing at
such talks would only give him a better excuse for war.

And my hypnagogic imagery may have been merely another premonition -
a reflection of my fears, like my previous two dreams of atomic war.

***

On a lighter note, as Stephen Colbert said:
"no, you're not dreaming; a porn star is suing our President." :)

Michelle Goldberg:
"With any previous president the story would have been explosive,
but with this one, it felt relatively minor. The real scandal,
it seemed, was that there was no scandal, because no one expects
any better of Trump...

Indeed, Daniels isn’t the only woman who was allegedly paid off
after an encounter with Trump. The former Playboy model Karen
McDougal, who claims she had an affair with Trump, was paid
$150,000 by a media company closely aligned with the president,
which quashed her story. Steve Bannon told “Fire and Fury” author
Michael Wolff that another Trump lawyer, Marc Kasowitz, “took care”
of “a hundred women” during the campaign...

Ultimately, the details of Trump’s relationship with Daniels will
likely come out. David Super, a professor at Georgetown University
Law Center, told me he was surprised by how legally strong Daniels’s
lawsuit seems, due to the way the original NDA was written.
“Any halfway competent lawyer could have drafted the contract so
that he didn’t need to sign it,” Super said of Cohen and Trump.
“But they didn’t do it that way.”

Should Daniels prevail in court, we might learn interesting
information about the president. Among other things, the NDA forbids
her from discussing Trump’s “alleged children” or “paternity information.” But the scandal will lie less in the details of
Trump’s degeneracy than in the steps he and his lawyers took to
cover it up. “This is early days yet in the unfolding of this
scandal,” said Eisen. Like Trump himself, it’s preposterous,
but it’s not going away."

Yes. And I think virtually all of Trump's presidency is exactly that: preposterous, and yet not going away. It still feels like we've
entered some kind of insane alternate time line that had only a
tiny chance of actually occurring, and yet somehow... did. :)
I don't really think that's true. It's just what it all feels like.

***

NY Times:
"Early in his presidency, Donald Trump knew exactly whom to blame
for the chemical weapons used in Syria, and what to do about it."

Trump blamed Obama, for not enforcing his 'red line'.

NY Times:
"Mr. Trump ordered the launch of 59 cruise missiles against a Syrian
airfield where the April chemical attack originated. Invoking the
horror of “innocent babies” choked by poison gas, he said military
action would “deter the spread and use of deadly chemical weapons.”

Only it didn’t.

"In the 11 months since then, there have been many such attacks,
including at least six this year, which American officials and
human rights groups blamed on Mr. Assad. Rather than the more
lethal sarin agent used in April, recent attacks reportedly have
involved chlorine."

"The use of poison gas, a war crime under international law, has been
integral to Mr. Assad’s scorched-earth drive to regain control of the
last rebel-held areas near Damascus."

Trump has done nothing about this, and has made no statement about it.

NY Times:
"Military action is never a panacea, though, and often the wrong choice.
Mr. Trump’s attack, not authorized by Congress or the United Nations, wasn’t part of a larger strategy. It raised questions about whether
he acted impulsively, was consumed with being the anti-Obama or wanted
to fulfill his own vision of “toughness.” The one-off military strikes achieved little, as studies have shown is usually the case..."

Trump hasn't done any better re: Syrian war crimes than Obama.
All in all, he's probably done less.

NY Times:
"Whatever America’s shortcomings, the real culprits in the slaughter
are Mr. Assad and Russia, which guaranteed Syrian compliance with
the chemical weapons accord. United Nations investigators have
linked Russian forces to a possible war crime, airstrikes on a market
last year that killed scores of civilians. Russia has been Mr. Assad’s
major defender, using its veto to shield him from penalties in the
United Nations Security Council."

Russia and Assad are responsible. But Trump hasn't moved to stop it.
He postured over it a lot early on, but accomplished nothing, as usual.

Roger Cohen:
"After Aleppo, now comes the agony of Eastern Ghouta. This suburb
of Damascus, the last rebel-held enclave close to the Syrian capital,
is bombarded by Bashar al-Assad’s forces for weeks on end, with
Russian air support. More than 900 people, including many children,
are killed. Hospitals are targeted in what François Delattre,
the French ambassador to the United Nations, has called “a siege
worthy of the Middle Ages.” Pregnant women bleed to death.
Some 400,000 people are trapped.

France and Britain convene an emergency meeting of the Security
Council and press for enforcement of last month’s Resolution 2401,
calling for an immediate cessation of hostilities. In this effort,
the United States is nowhere, silent, AWOL, as President Vladimir
Putin and his Syrian sidekick do their worst. The message to Moscow
is clear: Donald Trump’s America does not care about Syria,
or war crimes, or human rights. Russian cynicism and American
absence produce disaster.

Yes, it has come to this.

Emmanuel Macron, the French president, calls Putin. He dispatches
his foreign minister to Moscow and Tehran in an attempt to stop
the slaughter. Trump, to whom moral indignation — indeed morality
itself — is a stranger, does not care. His Middle East foreign
policy has two components: Back Israel, bash Iran. With respect to
Putin, he is compromised, or enamored, to the point of incapacity.
Let Syria burn.

Yes, it has come to this."

***

It's interesting that while Trump may well be a militarist,
he isn't intervening in any meaningful way where he might
clash with Putin.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Attorney General Jeff Sessions fired Andrew McCabe after 21 years
of service when McCabe was 26 hours from retiring, an action
right up there close to "pure evil" in my opinion.

Trump celebrated his abrupt firing as "a great day for democracy".
Going by the now time-honored principle of "the truth is usually
the opposite of whatever Trump says" (which almost never fails)
one can conclude this was really a very dark day for democracy.

John Brennan, who headed the CIA from 2013-2017, tweeted:
"When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and
political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful
place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history.
You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...
America will triumph over you."

That may sound overly-dramatic to some. I think it's right on.

McCabe said:
"I am being singled out and treated this way because of the role
I played, the actions I took, and the events I witnessed in the
aftermath of the firing of James Comey."

There were even some Republican lawmakers who pushed back against
the firing of McCabe and against efforts by Trump and his lawyer
to link it to the Mueller investigation.

McCabe shouldn’t have been fired days before he was due to retire
in an episode that risks demoralizing and “smearing” agents,
said Republican Senator Marco Rubio of Florida.

That's a Republican senator saying that. Trump is also desperately
and dishonestly trying to link McCabe's firing to the Mueller
investigation but even the Republicans know that's bullshit.

Whatever McCabe did has nothing to do with Mueller’s investigation,
and there’s no cause to even consider firing the special counsel,
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said.
Graham repeated a previous comment that removing Mueller would
be the beginning of the end of Trump’s presidency.

Graham, on Mueller:
“He is following the evidence where it takes him, and I think it’s
very important he be allowed to do his job without interference...
There are many Republicans who share my view.”

Senator Jeff Flake, a Republican from Arizona and a frequent
critic of Trump, said he expects his colleagues would push back
against the president removing Mueller. “People see that as a
massive red line that can’t be crossed,” Flake said on CNN.

Speaker Paul Ryan issued a statement through spokeswoman Ashlee
Strong: “As the speaker has always said, Mr. Mueller and his team
should be able to do their job.”

Michael Bromwich, a former Justice Department attorney now serving
as one of McCabe’s lawyers said that the veteran FBI agent was fired
after the disclosure that he’s a cooperating witness against Trump.
McCabe documented his interactions with Trump in a series of memos,
according to a person familiar with the matter, and those memos
could play into Mueller’s investigation. The memos have been
provided to the special counsel’s office.

That's why Trump is now getting so desperate and is lying even more
vilely than usual. If Trump takes the drastic step of firing Mueller,
it would be proof in itself that he fears that investigation even
more than he fears Congress.

James Comey is about to embark on a high-profile publicity tour
and series of television interviews to promote his memoir,
“A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies and Leadership,” which is being
released on April 17. “Mr. President, the American people will
hear my story very soon,” Comey said Saturday in a tweet.
“And they can judge for themselves who is honorable and who is not.”

Trump tweeted, in all caps:
THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG
IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR
COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE
THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

(Yeah but the House Intelligence Committee investigation was nothing
compared to the Mueller investigation.)

I tweeted back at Trump:
You're still dirty as hell and you're still going down.
It's just a matter of time.

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From: slider@anashram.com

I tweeted back at Trump:
You're still dirty as hell and you're still going down.
It's just a matter of time.

### - am prolly talkin' to a brick wall here but sheesh, do you realise
the sheer number of nutcases that send some kinda threatening messages to
him? i mean, don't you think that they prolly routinely make notes of them
all, probably investigate, and then file them away under 'whatever'
headings & severity of threat: subversive/active dissenters, potential troublemakers, and/or even assassins whatever, for future ref??

i mean, ya wouldn't stand outside the WH and throw rocks at the windows
would ya??

no! coz ya know what would defo happen!

but effectively that's exactly what you've just done?

do you perhaps also know/realise that if they knew there was a war coming
they would, in all likelihood, gather/round up everyone ON those list and imprison them (or even whatever!) beforehand so there'll be less agitators/nutters running-amok around afterwards to deal with?

(there 'are' such contingency/emergency war plans ya know...)

am not expecting an answer from you; but lol are ya fucking MAD or what??

or just completely bored to death with the life you're currently living?!

'coz lol talk about deliberately treading on the proverbial tail of a
tiger!?!?

that there's a heck of a difference between just not liking someone, and threatening them?!

(chances are some poor backroom clerk will now have to evaluate everything you've ever said about him and score it/you accordingly...)

plus... can ya see any blacked-out vans parked outside already? :D

it's probably better NOT to do such impulsive things like that again
maan...

wtf you been smokin': instant fame weed??

(and no... this time i DON'T want some!)

:)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:51:09 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

I tweeted back at Trump:
You're still dirty as hell and you're still going down.
It's just a matter of time.

### - am prolly talkin' to a brick wall here but sheesh, do you realise
the sheer number of nutcases that send some kinda threatening messages to >him? i mean, don't you think that they prolly routinely make notes of them >all, probably investigate, and then file them away under 'whatever'
headings & severity of threat: subversive/active dissenters, potential >troublemakers, and/or even assassins whatever, for future ref??

i mean, ya wouldn't stand outside the WH and throw rocks at the windows
would ya??

no! coz ya know what would defo happen!

but effectively that's exactly what you've just done?

do you perhaps also know/realise that if they knew there was a war coming >they would, in all likelihood, gather/round up everyone ON those list and >imprison them (or even whatever!) beforehand so there'll be less >agitators/nutters running-amok around afterwards to deal with?

(there 'are' such contingency/emergency war plans ya know...)

am not expecting an answer from you; but lol are ya fucking MAD or what??

or just completely bored to death with the life you're currently living?!

'coz lol talk about deliberately treading on the proverbial tail of a >tiger!?!?

that there's a heck of a difference between just not liking someone, and >threatening them?!

(chances are some poor backroom clerk will now have to evaluate everything >you've ever said about him and score it/you accordingly...)

plus... can ya see any blacked-out vans parked outside already? :D

it's probably better NOT to do such impulsive things like that again
maan...

wtf you been smokin': instant fame weed??

(and no... this time i DON'T want some!)

:)

I don't think Dave really did tweet Trump - I think he's just
re-stating what Brenna *did* tweet. It's a paraphrase of what Brenna
said. Dave would not be silly enough to tweet POTUS in the rapidly
emerging police state the US is metamorphosizing into.



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From: slider@anashram.com

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 02:17:13 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:51:09 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

I tweeted back at Trump:
You're still dirty as hell and you're still going down.
It's just a matter of time.

### - am prolly talkin' to a brick wall here but sheesh, do you realise
the sheer number of nutcases that send some kinda threatening messages
to
him? i mean, don't you think that they prolly routinely make notes of
them
all, probably investigate, and then file them away under 'whatever'
headings & severity of threat: subversive/active dissenters, potential
troublemakers, and/or even assassins whatever, for future ref??

i mean, ya wouldn't stand outside the WH and throw rocks at the windows
would ya??

no! coz ya know what would defo happen!

but effectively that's exactly what you've just done?

do you perhaps also know/realise that if they knew there was a war
coming
they would, in all likelihood, gather/round up everyone ON those list
and
imprison them (or even whatever!) beforehand so there'll be less
agitators/nutters running-amok around afterwards to deal with?

(there 'are' such contingency/emergency war plans ya know...)

am not expecting an answer from you; but lol are ya fucking MAD or
what??

or just completely bored to death with the life you're currently
living?!

'coz lol talk about deliberately treading on the proverbial tail of a
tiger!?!?

that there's a heck of a difference between just not liking someone, and
threatening them?!

(chances are some poor backroom clerk will now have to evaluate
everything
you've ever said about him and score it/you accordingly...)

plus... can ya see any blacked-out vans parked outside already? :D

it's probably better NOT to do such impulsive things like that again
maan...

wtf you been smokin': instant fame weed??

(and no... this time i DON'T want some!)

:)

I don't think Dave really did tweet Trump - I think he's just
re-stating what Brenna *did* tweet. It's a paraphrase of what Brenna
said. Dave would not be silly enough to tweet POTUS in the rapidly
emerging police state the US is metamorphosizing into.

### - whew! and here's me thinking he's finally completely lost the plot
hehehe :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Oh, I have really tweeted Trump. Lots of times. So have many other
Americans I know - most of them Californians. And I am "mad". :)
As in 'mad as hell, and not going to take it'. There are tens of
millions of other Americans with me on this, too.

Based on the large sampling I've read, mine may barely be noticed
compared to what millions of other people are saying.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

It's worth saying one more thing...

What kind of a total idiot wants to be in a perpetual
flame war with millions of people from all over the world?

Our current President does. It's so incredibly unpresidential
it is unbelievable he's stupid enough to keep it up,
and it is only one more indicator of how clueless he is.
Obama was a hundred times better president,
and a thousand times better man.

We'll be lucky to get out of this idiot's nightmare
without a second American Civil War.

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From: slider@anashram.com

Oh, I have really tweeted Trump. Lots of times. So have many other
Americans I know - most of them Californians. And I am "mad". :)
As in 'mad as hell, and not going to take it'. There are tens of
millions of other Americans with me on this, too.

Based on the large sampling I've read, mine may barely be noticed
compared to what millions of other people are saying.

### - ok yeah, but you didn't tweet the tweet i picked you up on tho...

did you??

and even if you didn't, chances are 'someone' in security reads them ALL
and/or scans them for whatever for security purposes! (if they can
read/scan
billions of emails & txts via computers on a daily basis, possibly
globally,
then they can certainly read/scan everything the boss gets sent via
twitter!)

"tens of millions" is nothing anymore to hide behind!

it's still prolly best 'not' to do things like that tho, especially angry things
and/or anything that could possibly even be construed as being such, even innocently
as it's then a bit like haven taken part in an angry extreme-lefty
march/demo or
whatever and only a very small percentage of the general public are thus inclined,
and 'will' be noted!

***

(advise given to all front line troops):

Never stick your head over the parapet son!

Always stay low & wait for the signal ;)

(then forward they cried from the rear
and the front rank: died? --pink floyd)

riiiight.... :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:03:16 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Oh, I have really tweeted Trump. Lots of times. So have many other Americans I know - most of them Californians. And I am "mad". :)
As in 'mad as hell, and not going to take it'. There are tens of
millions of other Americans with me on this, too.

Based on the large sampling I've read, mine may barely be noticed
compared to what millions of other people are saying.

### - ok yeah, but you didn't tweet the tweet i picked you up on tho...

did you??

Hey dude, I don't lie. :) I tweeted exactly what I said I did.
I'm not afraid, either. I've been a member of the ACLU forever,
and I'd love to go running to them if Trump's assholes ever
gave me any good excuse to sue the shit out of them.

But I doubt if even they are that stupid. We have fucking free
speech in this country. On top of that, I'm a white male from the
US Heartland with ancestry going back to the 1600s in the US.
They don't need to make me even more of an opponent than I
already am. I'm semi-retired now, and if I had a good reason
I could spend twice as much time making problems for them,
and I would if they gave me half a chance.

You know, there are almost 40 million people in California alone,
and around 70% of them can't stand Trump. Including our Governor
and Lieutenant Governor. In the LA metro area where I live
(4 million people), around 75% voted Clinton.

***

Want to hear some of my other tweets at Trump? :)
Here's a few:

Remember when Trump blabbed to the press that he'd love to talk
to Mueller, then he had to walk that shit totally back? I tweeted:
"Hey, @realDonaldTrump, what happened to "I’m looking forward
to it... I would love to do it... I would do it under oath”
What happened to that?? :) "

And remember Trump lying about Nunes' bullshit 'memo'? I tweeted:
"That silly memo does *nothing* to clear you of either collusion
*or* obstruction. Anyone who knows the facts can see it.
You're standing naked in public, Emperor."

A few others selected for your reading enjoyment:

Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"If the 'worst loser of all time' beat you in the popular vote
by nearly 3 million votes, then what does that make you??
Worse than the worst? :) How about you just stop lying
every time you open your mouth?"

"We understand that there's tons of money for corporate tax cuts
and trillion dollar deficits, yet none for children's health care.
Just one more example of how really evil you are..."

"You just retweeted fake news about Muslims yourself, President Twit!"

"Since she's Pocahontas, you get to be Honkypotus."

" 'If it ain't fixed, break it' is President Twit's real motto."

Those were all tweeted under my real name.

***

I have two other Twitter accounts, under aliases,
so let's do a few of those next.

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @washingtonpost
"I am NOT a clueless child! I am the best child. An awesome child.
There has never been a better child."

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @FoxNews @POTUS
"We're getting Roger Waters to help build our wall.
Nobody knows walls better!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLBtMz5OuY"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @washingtonpost
"America has never been properly tortured before.
That's gotta change. I'm great at torture!"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @treeeraco @ActualEPAFacts @altUSEPA
"We'll need another wall for Canada! Leaving that for my second term."

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @politico @AnnElizabeth18
"Yeah, because shiny new bridges, roads, tunnels,
and pipelines full of oil are what made America great! Right??"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @thehill
"Calling that shooting a mental problem (duh) only emphasizes our
lack of coverage for mental problems. Happiness is a warm yes it is..."

***

Enough? Or do you want more? :) It's probably enough...
but let's do a few from my other account anyway, hey?
Btw, these tweets are all better if you have the exact context
of what I was replying to, which in every case were stupid
remarks from Trump.

***

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"If DACA is dead, we'll remember who killed it. You did..."

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"By the time you're finished, we'll be the shithole."

Arne Saknussen Replying to @SenWarren @realDonaldTrump
"Of course Trump wants MORE nukes, since he's both power-mad and insane!"

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump @FoxNews
"Trump, you use Twitter the same way Russia uses propaganda.
It's disgusting. And you are the phony."

Just a little sample.

***

I may not be nearly as good as Andy Borowitz, but I try. :)
It's been more than a year of insanity now. We're not about to
take all of his asinine bullshit lying down. My partner is even
more antagonistic on Twitter toward Trump than I am. So are several
of our friends...

Trump usually gets at least 20-30 thousand antagonistic tweets
to every one of his own tweets - from different people every time.
(Very often significantly more than that.) And again, there's this
little thing we have in America called the 1st amendment.

What we have now is a president stupid enough to play flame war
with millions of people. There's never been anyone that stupid
in the oval office before, and this shit will not end well,
I guarantee.

***

I dunno, what do you think about all this, Andy?

Breaking News:

"Mueller rents giant warehouse to store evidence against Trump"

“It’s like a city all its own,” one warehouse worker said.
“There are people working in the Michael Flynn section
who’ve never met the people working in the Paul Manafort section.”

"Former Hippies put in horrible position of rooting for F.B.I"

"Trump is currently at the flush-the-meth-down-the-toilet phase
of his Presidency."

"Hey Donald J. Trump I agree - let’s end the Russia Investigation
and go straight to the impeachment." #youfucker

"Trump says he's been treated very unfairly by people
who wrote Constitution"

"Trump warned that the people who wrote the Constitution
could be fired 'very soon.' "

"Trump accuses Clinton of deliberately losing election
so he could be impeached"

"White House doctor writes note saying Trump too sick
to talk to Mueller"

"Paul Ryan sets Google News Alert for the moment when
Trump becomes unpopular enough to betray"

:)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

What are the Cambridge Analytica Files?

Working with a whistleblower who helped set up Cambridge Analytica, the Observer and Guardian have seen documents and gathered eyewitness reports that lift the lid on the data analytics firm that helped Donald Trump to victory.

The company is currently being investigated on both sides of the Atlantic. It is a key subject in two inquiries in the UK - by the Electoral Commission, into
the firm's possible role in the EU referendum and the Information Commissioner's Office, into
data analytics for political purposes - and one in the US, as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into Trump-Russia collusion.

***

The Cambridge Analytica Files
‘I made Steve Bannon’s psychological warfare tool’:
meet the data war whistleblower

http://tinyurl.com/y733xra5

Excerpts:

In 2014, Steve Bannon – then executive chairman of the “alt-right” news network Breitbart – was Wylie’s boss. And Robert Mercer, the secretive US hedge-fund billionaire and Republican donor, was Cambridge Analytica’s investor. And the idea
they bought into was to bring big data and social media to an established military methodology – “information operations” – then turn it on the US electorate.

It was Wylie who came up with that idea and oversaw its realisation...

The Observer also received the first of three letters from Cambridge Analytica threatening to sue Guardian News and Media for defamation. We are still only just starting to understand the maelstrom of forces that came together to create the conditions
for what Mueller confirmed last month was “information warfare”. But Wylie offers a unique, worm’s-eye view of the events of 2016. Of how Facebook was hijacked, repurposed to become a theatre of war: how it became a launchpad for what seems to be
an extraordinary attack on the US’s democratic process.

Wylie oversaw what may have been the first critical breach. Aged 24, while studying for a PhD in fashion trend forecasting, he came up with a plan to harvest the Facebook profiles of millions of people in the US, and to use their
private and personal
information to create sophisticated psychological and political profiles. And then target them with political ads designed to work on their particular psychological makeup.

“We ‘broke’ Facebook,” he says.

And he did it on behalf of his new boss, Steve Bannon...

Wylie has the paper trail. In our first phone call, he told me he had the receipts, invoices, emails, legal letters – records that showed how, between June and August 2014, the profiles of more than 50 million Facebook users had been harvested. Most
damning of all, he had a letter from Facebook’s own lawyers admitting that Cambridge Analytica had acquired the data illegitimately.

Going public involves an enormous amount of risk. Wylie is breaking a non-disclosure agreement and risks being sued. He is breaking the confidence of
Steve Bannon and Robert Mercer.

It’s taken a rollercoaster of a year to help get Wylie to a place where it’s possible for him to finally come forward...

Wylie holds a British Tier 1 Exceptional Talent visa – a UK work visa given to just 200 people a year. He was working inside government (with the Lib Dems)
as a political strategist with advanced data science skills. But no one, least of all him, could
have predicted what came next. When he turned up at SCL’s offices in Mayfair,
he had no clue that he was walking into the middle of a nexus of defence and intelligence projects, private contractors and cutting-edge cyberweaponry.

“The thing I think about all the time is, what if I’d taken a job at Deloitte instead? They offered me one. I just think if I’d taken literally any other job, Cambridge Analytica wouldn’t exist. You have no idea how much I brood on this.”

A few months later, in autumn 2013, Wylie met Steve Bannon. At the time, he was
editor-in-chief of Breitbart, which he had brought to Britain to support his friend Nigel Farage in his mission to take Britain out of the European Union...

When I ask how Bannon even found SCL, Wylie tells me what sounds like a tall tale, though it’s one he can back up with an email about how Mark Block, a veteran Republican strategist, happened to sit next to a cyberwarfare expert for the US air force on
a plane. “And the cyberwarfare guy is like, ‘Oh, you should meet SCL. They do cyberwarfare for elections.’”...

It was Bannon who took this idea to the Mercers: Robert Mercer – the co-CEO of the hedge fund Renaissance Technologies, who used his billions to pursue a rightwing agenda, donating to Republican causes and supporting Republican candidates...

Robert Mercer was a pioneer in AI and machine translation. He helped invent algorithmic trading – which replaced hedge fund managers with computer programs – and he listened to Wylie’s pitch...

Wylie has a copy of an executed contract, dated 4 June 2014, which confirms that SCL, the parent company of Cambridge Analytica, entered into a commercial arrangement with a company called Global Science Research (GSR), owned by Cambridge-based academic
Aleksandr Kogan, specifically premised on the harvesting and processing of Facebook data, so that it could be matched to personality traits and voter rolls.

He has receipts showing that Cambridge Analytica spent $7m to amass this data, about $1m of it with GSR. He has the bank records and wire transfers...

What the email correspondence between Cambridge Analytica employees and Kogan shows is that Kogan had collected millions of profiles in a matter of weeks. But neither Wylie nor anyone else at Cambridge Analytica had checked that it was legal. It
certainly wasn’t authorised. Kogan did have permission to pull Facebook data,
but for academic purposes only...

Cambridge Analytica had its data. This was the foundation of everything it did next – how it extracted psychological insights from the “seeders” and then built an algorithm to profile millions more.

For more than a year, the reporting around what Cambridge Analytica did or didn’t do for Trump has revolved around the question of “psychographics”,
but Wylie points out: “Everything was built on the back of that data. The models, the algorithm.
Everything. Why wouldn’t you use it in your biggest campaign ever?”...

Dr Kogan – who later changed his name to Dr Spectre, but has subsequently changed it back to Dr Kogan – is still a faculty member at Cambridge University, a senior research associate. But what his fellow academics didn’t
know until Kogan revealed
it in emails to the Observer (although Cambridge University says that Kogan told the head of the psychology department), is that he is also an associate professor at St Petersburg University...

There are other dramatic documents in Wylie’s stash, including a pitch made by Cambridge Analytica to Lukoil, Russia’s second biggest oil producer. In an
email dated 17 July 2014, about the US presidential primaries, Nix wrote to Wylie: “We have
been asked to write a memo to Lukoil (the Russian oil and gas company) to explain to them how our services are going to apply to the petroleum business. Nix said that “they understand behavioural microtargeting in the context of elections” but that
they were “failing to make the connection between voters and their consumers”. The work, he said, would be “shared with the CEO of the business”, a former Soviet oil minister and associate of Putin, Vagit Alekperov.

“It didn’t make any sense to me,” says Wylie. “I didn’t understand either the email or the pitch presentation we did. Why would a Russian oil company want to target information on American voters?”

Mueller’s investigation traces the first stages of the Russian operation to disrupt the 2016 US election back to 2014, when the Russian state made what appears to be its first concerted efforts to harness the power of America’s social media platforms,
including Facebook. And it was in late summer of the same year that Cambridge Analytica presented the Russian oil company with an outline of its datasets, capabilities and methodology. The presentation had little to do with “consumers”. Instead,
documents show it focused on election disruption techniques...

Lukoil is a private company, but its CEO, Alekperov, answers to Putin, and it’s been used as a vehicle of Russian influence in Europe and elsewhere...

There’s no evidence that Cambridge Analytica ever did any work for Lukoil. What these documents show, though, is that in 2014 one of Russia’s biggest companies was fully briefed on: Facebook, microtargeting, data, election disruption...

Is what Cambridge Analytica does akin to bullying?

“I think it’s worse than bullying,” Wylie says. “Because people don’t
necessarily know it’s being done to them. At least bullying respects the agency of people because they know. So it’s worse, because if you do not respect the agency of
people, anything that you’re doing after that point is not conducive to a democracy. And fundamentally, information warfare is not conducive to democracy.”

Russia, Facebook, Trump, Mercer, Bannon, Brexit. Every one of these threads runs through Cambridge Analytica. Even in the past few weeks, it seems as if the understanding of Facebook’s role has broadened and deepened. The Mueller indictments were part
of that, but Paul-Olivier Dehaye – a data expert and academic based in Switzerland, who published some of the first research into Cambridge Analytica’s processes – says it’s become increasingly apparent that Facebook is “abusive by design”.
If there is evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, it will be in the platform’s data flows, he says...

Millions of people’s personal information was stolen and used to target them in ways they wouldn’t have seen, and couldn’t have known about, by a mercenary outfit, Cambridge Analytica, who, Wylie says, “would work for anyone”. Who would pitch
to Russian oil companies. Would they subvert elections abroad on behalf of foreign governments?

It occurs to me to ask Wylie this one night.

“Yes.”

Nato or non-Nato?

“Either. I mean they’re mercenaries. They’ll work for pretty much anyone who pays.”...

It’s an incredible revelation. It also encapsulates all of the problems of outsourcing – at a global scale, with added cyberweapons. And in the middle of it all are the public – our intimate family connections, our “likes”, our crumbs of
personal data, all sucked into a swirling black hole that’s expanding and growing and is now owned by a politically motivated billionaire.

The Facebook data is out in the wild. And for all Wylie’s efforts, there’s no turning the clock back...

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:13:03 -0000, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:03:16 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Oh, I have really tweeted Trump. Lots of times. So have many other
Americans I know - most of them Californians. And I am "mad". :)
As in 'mad as hell, and not going to take it'. There are tens of
millions of other Americans with me on this, too.

Based on the large sampling I've read, mine may barely be noticed
compared to what millions of other people are saying.

### - ok yeah, but you didn't tweet the tweet i picked you up on tho...

did you??

Hey dude, I don't lie. :) I tweeted exactly what I said I did.

### - well that's what i thought originally, and then thang suggested
otherwise and i was relieved; momentarily... (hehehe) :)

I'm not afraid, either. I've been a member of the ACLU forever,
and I'd love to go running to them if Trump's assholes ever
gave me any good excuse to sue the shit out of them.

### - oh ok then, and forgive the sarcasm, but with them behind you you'll surely be fine dealing, for years, with his teams of lawyers while you're having a very nice long vacation in guantanamo, or wherever it is they typically send dissenters these days heh, so you just 'carry-on' taunting
& daring them to 'do' something you can then sue them for, they'll just
never see the trap they's wakin' right into innit! the fools! (riiiight...)

(chomsky said they don't send out the death squads like they used to (heh)
but there are still definite penalties for dissenting...)

But I doubt if even they are that stupid. We have fucking free
speech in this country.

### - free speech?? well what an absolutely stupendous + amazing idea
smithers! everyone's just 'bound' to go for something like that eh?
absolutely! a definite winner that if ever i saw one! wow, you guys in the 'ideas' dept. are really something else! free speech?? well that's just
bloody marvelous! can't you just see it now? billions of people, just
'living out their lives' completely unaware of what's really happening to
'em?! the complete 'opposite' in fact of their perceived reality & belief system! they'd never ever suspect something like that! it's brilliant!
sheer genius! any ideas of what to call it? how's about: The Matrix!
excellent! :)

On top of that, I'm a white male from the
US Heartland with ancestry going back to the 1600s in the US.

### - well dawg gone it, methinks i'll just rush out and buys me a whole
bunch of assault rifles and a new flag in celebration! maybe's even a
cannon! don't fuck with the heartland sonny! :)

They don't need to make me even more of an opponent than I
already am. I'm semi-retired now, and if I had a good reason
I could spend twice as much time making problems for them,
and I would if they gave me half a chance.

### - you wont be making 'any' trouble for them jeremy, in fact you're
probably doing exactly what they 'want' you to do? lol he's been pressing
every button in the 'book' since he took office for christsakes?? even to bringing the whole planet to the brink of ww3! (well i think he damn well
gots everyone's attention by now??) got 'everyone' jumping up & down!
meanwhile he looks cool as cucumber doesn't he, so calm, so collected...
but people's attention is being directed like never before! it's like
watching someone whipping up a mob! and they's gettin' crazier by the
minute?? hey looks like we's gonna be havin' us a lynchin' any a minute
now oh yeah! - meanwhile the same message repeatedly crackles over the
tanoy: peace through strength! peace through strength! + marching sounds - peace through strength!

that wots we gots 'here' old chap, is only yer most powerful, most modern
& up to date, most organised + most wealthy right-wing administration in
the history of the planet: ever! - ok folks we'll all be going 'forward'
now and 'this' time there'll be no coming from it! it's gonna be a new
world! probably a very brave one!

You know, there are almost 40 million people in California alone,

### - half of which are watching the skies... for aliens??

good people! riiiight... :)

and around 70% of them can't stand Trump. Including our Governor
and Lieutenant Governor. In the LA metro area where I live
(4 million people), around 75% voted Clinton.

### - and a fat lot of good all that 'free speech' did 'em too huh!

coz captain bligh is still running the ship mr christian!

and this time it's a journey to hell? oh boy!

the 'new rome' reborn has come into its own!

be afraid, be very afraid; even the 'moon' cast it's full shadow across it!

Want to hear some of my other tweets at Trump? :)

### - nope, just the one was 'more' than sufficient haha :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too.

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

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From: slider@anashram.org

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch.
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

### - i don't 'like' him either! i just think it's a mistake to make it personal?

i just see him (and his ilk) as being typical right wing!

for sure he's an 'over the top' version, but typical still...

because imho (and observation) bush was a monster too??

but was a pussy compared to 'this' one! lol! :)))

this one's the cream of the crop maan!

the ultimate in precisely what they represent & stand for!

only, of course, with a name like trump ya can rest assured he's gonna do
it bigger & badder than all the rest before him combined!

i made a comment quite early on in ref to him that you took very badly at
the time? it wasn't intended that way (not at all as it goes...) but your reaction was rather severe?

what i said was (as/on a kind of sign-off note so as to say; well there's bugger all we can do about it all anyway mate, and that this is precisely
what we can 'always' expect whenever the right-wing get into the driving
seat; 'so better get used to it' - meaning: this IS what can be expected
EVERY single time those fuckers get in! and so okay, i agree, he's gonna
be the worst (iow: 'the' most damaging) example of it ever! - but i mean
it's not THAT different really, plus he's even fairly closely following
old wd's general plan/agenda, albeit it ramped-up by several notches??

why fairly closely? i.e., because that's the only basic 'plan' they've ALL
ever been following all along no matter 'who' just so happens to be representing the party 'this' time! it's always the same old shit whomever
gets to play the leading role/figurehead! they always all follow the same/general old formula because they still have the exact same ultimate
goal! (to screw everyone over? hehehe;)

and, apparently, they're determined to make some real progress THIS time!
(must be getting fed up of all that toing & froing huh?) 'this' time
they's gonna be hitting a few home runs that're gonna... stick!

i.e., the farther 'right' ya go the more extreme it gets/becomes?

what am watching (personally i mean) is the 'lengths' they're going to to
'make sure' they's gonna be getting their own way? kinda forceful/no more messin' about now folks! this is gonna be full 'lock-down' pure & simple! (basically the same old/same-old time after time! albeit this time
ratcheted-up several fold + a few extra creative touches to-boot! (well,
this IS 2018! innit! hah! sarcasm) - it's 'coercion' pure & simple! (peace through strength; yeah as in like a stranglehold! riiight...)

they've only ever HAD the one basic plan/goal see? and thus always the
same basic formula too! but they can't just keep applying it the same old/same-old way each time, they have to jazz/tart it up each time! and
wot we gots ourselves NOW is the right-wing with fucking BELLS on! and
THIS one's gonna SHOW 'em ALL how to do it; good & proper! (so much so,
that even many of his own minions are kinda pooping themselves a bit by
now + worrying if this is all gonna be okay?? is it ok? i dunno, maybe it
is, maybe it isn't, am not sure? pfffft! lol... and just my sense of
humour but i think also true...)

i mean; I'M scared too! - coz it looks like they mean business this time! (those fuckers 'agenda' is just about the scariest thing there is!
sheesh!) - it's basically 'always' been a 'police-state' (peace through strength; riiiight...) but perhaps never before quite so... overt!?!
possibly because peeps are becoming so inured to it all, that much more 'sheep-like' that they don't really even 'need' to hide it so well
anymore!? the veneer's wearing thinner!

but it's not like i don't completely understand where you're coming from
ya know, go back a few years and i was once an angry young man too?
(you're a bit old to an angry young man heh, but it's basically the same
deal? the same angst! the same 'annoyance' at the SHIT we all have to put
up with dammit! ya do a few protest marches, ya write a few pointed
letters to the editor of the times (or whatever heh) ya cuss-out the world
for all being so goddamn fucking blind! for being so damn ignorant! and
then ya realise what it is! that's precisely the problem! they're blind
AND ignorant!)

but what-are-ya-gonna-do eh? they really ARE all blind and ignorant!
literally falling over themselves & walking into lampposts and everything! going in circles; the lot! up to their necks in it they are! (fuck off
yoda...)

i don't 'hate' them jeremy, actually i pity them! they're all caught up in
a situation of their own creation & making? painted themselves right into
a corner they have! (i said shut up!) and no imagination to speak of (not enough anyway) to ever come up with something (anything!) different
that'll get them out of it!

'my' problem is i kinda like 'em? don't want anything horrible to happen
to them anyways hah! plus even mr T was a beautiful/adorable little baby
once! fuck all wrong with him! had all the potential in the world to
'remain' beautiful! so wtf happened to it to have damaged it quite so terribly?? the 'world' happened to it! as it does to us all... and it
*ain't* pretty!

i wouldn't wish it even on my worst enemy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

play again sam! :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

As if Trump would spend more than 10 seconds worrying about me
when he's got people like Mueller and 60 Minutes after his ass.

But if I can get that 10 seconds out of him, maybe it will help. :)
Besides, my words are mainly for the millions of other readers.

***

Reminder, one of the people Mueller indicted - who has pled guilty
to charges of financial fraud and lying to the F.B.I. -
is Trump's former deputy campaign chairman, Rick Gates.

It's also been announced that Gates has now agreed to cooperate.
Gates will very likely incriminate Manafort and possibly other
members of the Trump campaign.

At a minimum, Gates' plea is already major evidence that the
Trump campaign attracted a cast of advisers who overstepped
legal and ethical boundaries. No big surprise given this is
Trump we're talking about here but still... serious evidence.

Gates was also present during periods when Trump's digital campaign
operation engaged with millions of voters on social media
platforms like Facebook. And Gates was second in command under
Bannon after Manafort was fired.

Gates will also have some insight into Trump's activities after
being elected, since he was a senior aide on Trump's inaugural
committee and also worked with "America First Policies" -
which was the main outside group supporting Trump.

Both Manafort and Gates worked in various capacities with
Viktor Yanukovych, onetime president of Ukraine and longtime
ally of Vladimir Putin - and they hid the existence of related
companies and accounts from American tax authorities.
Gates maintained the accounts (worth ~ $75 million)

Gates and Manafort were connected with other Russian oligarchs
such as Oleg Deripaska, who is another ally of Putin's.

There is also evidence that Manafort paid a group of former
senior European politicians over $2 million Euros to lobby
in the U.S. for Putin-friendly Ukraine policies.

In an "eyes only" memo, Manafort wrote that the purpose was to
assemble a group of "politically credible friends who can act
informally and without any visible relationship with the
Government of Ukraine".

Manafort and Gates "developed a false and misleading cover story"
about all of this while they were part of the Trump campaign.
They also covered their tracks when reporting to the IRS.

Mueller has all of this, and probably... more.

John Brennan, the former head of the CIA, has said publically
that the Russians "may have something on him personally",
meaning Trump. Pundits are now wondering if that is more than
just speculation on Brennan's part.

It is a fact that Trump has routinely issued statements about
Russia and Putin that sound at odds with his own advisers and
his own administration's actions. It's also a fact that Trump
repeatedly called the Russia investigation "a hoax", when it
very obviously isn't any such thing.

"I think he's afraid of the president of Russia."
- John Brennan (former CIA head)

***

A Manhattan judge has ruled that a former contestant on
"The Apprentice" can proceed with her lawsuit against Trump.
She says Trump defamed her by claiming she lied when she
accused him of sexually harassing her.

And that decision paves the way for lawyers to seek depositions
from *several women* (more than 10) who accused Trump of
sexual harassment before his election, and to subpoena records
from his campaign related to his accusers. Heh heh. The tide of
shit keeps rising and is almost up to the ceiling, man... :)

The judge cited the Supreme Court decision allowing Paula Jones
to bring a sexual harassment suit against Bill Clinton.
"No one is above the law," wrote Justice Schecter.

I heard there's a good chance 60 Minutes will go ahead and air
their Stormy Daniels interview this Sunday (Mar 25) in spite
of all of Trump's lawyers' attempts to stop it. I wonder how
that shit will go down? It's not just about sex disclosures.
For example:

Jake Tapper (CNN): You say your client, Stormy Daniels, felt
“physically threatened” to stay silent about what she knew
about Donald Trump.

Daniels’ attorney: “I didn’t say she ‘felt’ physically threatened — what I said was, she ‘was’ physically threatened.” Uh oh. :)

We get to hear on National TV how Trump's goons threaten hookers? :)

Then there's that Playboy model that now wants to talk about
her affair with Trump too. Karen McDougal's lawsuit is against
the company that owns the tabloid National Enquirer, and it
alleges McDougal was paid $150,000 during the 2016 presidential
campaign for rights to her story of an affair, but the story
never ran.

McDougal alleges that Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, was
secretly involved in her discussions with the tabloid.
The White House has said Trump denies the affair.

How do suppose this all crap sits with Melania? She's probably known
Donnie was a fucking pig forever - but having it all discussed
endlessly nationally is a horse of a different color. :)

What a terrible shitstorm.
And in my opinion, these are not even the worst things about Trump.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

If being an Asshole was an Arcade Game... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDFq6rVmkao

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:06:36 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch.
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

### - i don't 'like' him either! i just think it's a mistake to make it >personal?

i just see him (and his ilk) as being typical right wing!

for sure he's an 'over the top' version, but typical still...

because imho (and observation) bush was a monster too??

but was a pussy compared to 'this' one! lol! :)))

this one's the cream of the crop maan!

the ultimate in precisely what they represent & stand for!

only, of course, with a name like trump ya can rest assured he's gonna do
it bigger & badder than all the rest before him combined!

i made a comment quite early on in ref to him that you took very badly at
the time? it wasn't intended that way (not at all as it goes...) but your >reaction was rather severe?

what i said was (as/on a kind of sign-off note so as to say; well there's >bugger all we can do about it all anyway mate, and that this is precisely >what we can 'always' expect whenever the right-wing get into the driving >seat; 'so better get used to it' - meaning: this IS what can be expected >EVERY single time those fuckers get in! and so okay, i agree, he's gonna
be the worst (iow: 'the' most damaging) example of it ever! - but i mean
it's not THAT different really, plus he's even fairly closely following
old wd's general plan/agenda, albeit it ramped-up by several notches??

why fairly closely? i.e., because that's the only basic 'plan' they've ALL >ever been following all along no matter 'who' just so happens to be >representing the party 'this' time! it's always the same old shit whomever >gets to play the leading role/figurehead! they always all follow the >same/general old formula because they still have the exact same ultimate >goal! (to screw everyone over? hehehe;)

and, apparently, they're determined to make some real progress THIS time! >(must be getting fed up of all that toing & froing huh?) 'this' time
they's gonna be hitting a few home runs that're gonna... stick!

i.e., the farther 'right' ya go the more extreme it gets/becomes?

what am watching (personally i mean) is the 'lengths' they're going to to >'make sure' they's gonna be getting their own way? kinda forceful/no more >messin' about now folks! this is gonna be full 'lock-down' pure & simple! >(basically the same old/same-old time after time! albeit this time >ratcheted-up several fold + a few extra creative touches to-boot! (well,
this IS 2018! innit! hah! sarcasm) - it's 'coercion' pure & simple! (peace >through strength; yeah as in like a stranglehold! riiight...)

they've only ever HAD the one basic plan/goal see? and thus always the
same basic formula too! but they can't just keep applying it the same >old/same-old way each time, they have to jazz/tart it up each time! and
wot we gots ourselves NOW is the right-wing with fucking BELLS on! and
THIS one's gonna SHOW 'em ALL how to do it; good & proper! (so much so,
that even many of his own minions are kinda pooping themselves a bit by
now + worrying if this is all gonna be okay?? is it ok? i dunno, maybe it
is, maybe it isn't, am not sure? pfffft! lol... and just my sense of
humour but i think also true...)

i mean; I'M scared too! - coz it looks like they mean business this time! >(those fuckers 'agenda' is just about the scariest thing there is!
sheesh!) - it's basically 'always' been a 'police-state' (peace through >strength; riiiight...) but perhaps never before quite so... overt!?!
possibly because peeps are becoming so inured to it all, that much more >'sheep-like' that they don't really even 'need' to hide it so well
anymore!? the veneer's wearing thinner!

but it's not like i don't completely understand where you're coming from
ya know, go back a few years and i was once an angry young man too?
(you're a bit old to an angry young man heh, but it's basically the same >deal? the same angst! the same 'annoyance' at the SHIT we all have to put
up with dammit! ya do a few protest marches, ya write a few pointed
letters to the editor of the times (or whatever heh) ya cuss-out the world >for all being so goddamn fucking blind! for being so damn ignorant! and
then ya realise what it is! that's precisely the problem! they're blind
AND ignorant!)

but what-are-ya-gonna-do eh? they really ARE all blind and ignorant! >literally falling over themselves & walking into lampposts and everything! >going in circles; the lot! up to their necks in it they are! (fuck off >yoda...)

i don't 'hate' them jeremy, actually i pity them! they're all caught up in
a situation of their own creation & making? painted themselves right into
a corner they have! (i said shut up!) and no imagination to speak of (not >enough anyway) to ever come up with something (anything!) different
that'll get them out of it!

'my' problem is i kinda like 'em? don't want anything horrible to happen
to them anyways hah! plus even mr T was a beautiful/adorable little baby >once! fuck all wrong with him! had all the potential in the world to
'remain' beautiful! so wtf happened to it to have damaged it quite so >terribly?? the 'world' happened to it! as it does to us all... and it
*ain't* pretty!

i wouldn't wish it even on my worst enemy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

play again sam! :)

Christ on a crutch, slider, that's one fucking LONG diatribe :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:13:03 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:03:16 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Oh, I have really tweeted Trump. Lots of times. So have many other
Americans I know - most of them Californians. And I am "mad". :)
As in 'mad as hell, and not going to take it'. There are tens of
millions of other Americans with me on this, too.

Based on the large sampling I've read, mine may barely be noticed
compared to what millions of other people are saying.

### - ok yeah, but you didn't tweet the tweet i picked you up on tho...

did you??

Hey dude, I don't lie. :)

Yes you do, right there. We all lie, some more than others but
assuredly, we all lie. It's a proven fact and a necessity of survival
and tribal acceptance. Little white lies, self deceptions, the
occasional malicious lie, daily lies told to exempt loved ones from
awkward truths - it's part of the human condition.

Do don't talk tripe.

I tweeted exactly what I said I did.

I'm not afraid, either. I've been a member of the ACLU forever,
and I'd love to go running to them if Trump's assholes ever
gave me any good excuse to sue the shit out of them.

You wouldn't get far. Trump's ignorance and venality makes him
utterly bulletproof.

But I doubt if even they are that stupid. We have fucking free
speech in this country. On top of that, I'm a white male from the
US Heartland with ancestry going back to the 1600s in the US.
They don't need to make me even more of an opponent than I
already am. I'm semi-retired now, and if I had a good reason
I could spend twice as much time making problems for them,
and I would if they gave me half a chance.

Self aggrandizement in spades Dave. Take a breath and read what you
said. It seems very arrogant and self important. I mean, how can you
even consider that you have any influence at all when HRC won the
popular vote and even that didn't keep Trump out.

In other words, Trump wouldn't even acknowledge you if you were in
front of him pointing a rifle at him...

You know, there are almost 40 million people in California alone,
and around 70% of them can't stand Trump. Including our Governor
and Lieutenant Governor. In the LA metro area where I live
(4 million people), around 75% voted Clinton.

Trump considers Cali to be a barrel full of fruitcakes. In a way, it
is, even though Mountain View and so on are the cradle of technology
(or were). He would be happy for the faultline to split and for Cali
to sink into the sea.

***

Want to hear some of my other tweets at Trump? :)
Here's a few:

Remember when Trump blabbed to the press that he'd love to talk
to Mueller, then he had to walk that shit totally back? I tweeted:
"Hey, @realDonaldTrump, what happened to "I’m looking forward
to it... I would love to do it... I would do it under oath”
What happened to that?? :) "

And remember Trump lying about Nunes' bullshit 'memo'? I tweeted:
"That silly memo does *nothing* to clear you of either collusion
*or* obstruction. Anyone who knows the facts can see it.
You're standing naked in public, Emperor."

A few others selected for your reading enjoyment:

Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"If the 'worst loser of all time' beat you in the popular vote
by nearly 3 million votes, then what does that make you??
Worse than the worst? :) How about you just stop lying
every time you open your mouth?"

"We understand that there's tons of money for corporate tax cuts
and trillion dollar deficits, yet none for children's health care.
Just one more example of how really evil you are..."

"You just retweeted fake news about Muslims yourself, President Twit!"

"Since she's Pocahontas, you get to be Honkypotus."

" 'If it ain't fixed, break it' is President Twit's real motto."

Those were all tweeted under my real name.

***

I have two other Twitter accounts, under aliases,
so let's do a few of those next.

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @washingtonpost
"I am NOT a clueless child! I am the best child. An awesome child.
There has never been a better child."

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @FoxNews @POTUS
"We're getting Roger Waters to help build our wall.
Nobody knows walls better!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLBtMz5OuY"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @washingtonpost
"America has never been properly tortured before.
That's gotta change. I'm great at torture!"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @treeeraco @ActualEPAFacts @altUSEPA
"We'll need another wall for Canada! Leaving that for my second term."

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @politico @AnnElizabeth18
"Yeah, because shiny new bridges, roads, tunnels,
and pipelines full of oil are what made America great! Right??"

@RoguePresTrump Replying to @thehill
"Calling that shooting a mental problem (duh) only emphasizes our
lack of coverage for mental problems. Happiness is a warm yes it is..."

***

Enough? Or do you want more? :) It's probably enough...
but let's do a few from my other account anyway, hey?
Btw, these tweets are all better if you have the exact context
of what I was replying to, which in every case were stupid
remarks from Trump.

***

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"If DACA is dead, we'll remember who killed it. You did..."

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump
"By the time you're finished, we'll be the shithole."

Arne Saknussen Replying to @SenWarren @realDonaldTrump
"Of course Trump wants MORE nukes, since he's both power-mad and insane!"

Arne Saknussen Replying to @realDonaldTrump @FoxNews
"Trump, you use Twitter the same way Russia uses propaganda.
It's disgusting. And you are the phony."

Just a little sample.

***

I may not be nearly as good as Andy Borowitz, but I try. :)
It's been more than a year of insanity now. We're not about to
take all of his asinine bullshit lying down. My partner is even
more antagonistic on Twitter toward Trump than I am. So are several
of our friends...

Trump usually gets at least 20-30 thousand antagonistic tweets
to every one of his own tweets - from different people every time.
(Very often significantly more than that.) And again, there's this
little thing we have in America called the 1st amendment.

What we have now is a president stupid enough to play flame war
with millions of people. There's never been anyone that stupid
in the oval office before, and this shit will not end well,
I guarantee.

***

I dunno, what do you think about all this, Andy?

Breaking News:

"Mueller rents giant warehouse to store evidence against Trump"

“It’s like a city all its own,” one warehouse worker said.
“There are people working in the Michael Flynn section
who’ve never met the people working in the Paul Manafort section.”

"Former Hippies put in horrible position of rooting for F.B.I"

"Trump is currently at the flush-the-meth-down-the-toilet phase
of his Presidency."

"Hey Donald J. Trump I agree - let’s end the Russia Investigation
and go straight to the impeachment." #youfucker

"Trump says he's been treated very unfairly by people
who wrote Constitution"

"Trump warned that the people who wrote the Constitution
could be fired 'very soon.' "

"Trump accuses Clinton of deliberately losing election
so he could be impeached"

"White House doctor writes note saying Trump too sick
to talk to Mueller"

"Paul Ryan sets Google News Alert for the moment when
Trump becomes unpopular enough to betray"

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You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

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On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:52:20 -0000, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:06:36 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch.
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

### - i don't 'like' him either! i just think it's a mistake to make it
personal?

i just see him (and his ilk) as being typical right wing!

for sure he's an 'over the top' version, but typical still...

because imho (and observation) bush was a monster too??

but was a pussy compared to 'this' one! lol! :)))

this one's the cream of the crop maan!

the ultimate in precisely what they represent & stand for!

only, of course, with a name like trump ya can rest assured he's gonna
do
it bigger & badder than all the rest before him combined!

i made a comment quite early on in ref to him that you took very badly
at
the time? it wasn't intended that way (not at all as it goes...) but
your
reaction was rather severe?

what i said was (as/on a kind of sign-off note so as to say; well
there's
bugger all we can do about it all anyway mate, and that this is
precisely
what we can 'always' expect whenever the right-wing get into the driving
seat; 'so better get used to it' - meaning: this IS what can be expected
EVERY single time those fuckers get in! and so okay, i agree, he's gonna
be the worst (iow: 'the' most damaging) example of it ever! - but i mean
it's not THAT different really, plus he's even fairly closely following
old wd's general plan/agenda, albeit it ramped-up by several notches??

why fairly closely? i.e., because that's the only basic 'plan' they've
ALL
ever been following all along no matter 'who' just so happens to be
representing the party 'this' time! it's always the same old shit
whomever
gets to play the leading role/figurehead! they always all follow the
same/general old formula because they still have the exact same ultimate
goal! (to screw everyone over? hehehe;)

and, apparently, they're determined to make some real progress THIS
time!
(must be getting fed up of all that toing & froing huh?) 'this' time
they's gonna be hitting a few home runs that're gonna... stick!

i.e., the farther 'right' ya go the more extreme it gets/becomes?

what am watching (personally i mean) is the 'lengths' they're going to
to
'make sure' they's gonna be getting their own way? kinda forceful/no
more
messin' about now folks! this is gonna be full 'lock-down' pure &
simple!
(basically the same old/same-old time after time! albeit this time
ratcheted-up several fold + a few extra creative touches to-boot! (well,
this IS 2018! innit! hah! sarcasm) - it's 'coercion' pure & simple!
(peace
through strength; yeah as in like a stranglehold! riiight...)

they've only ever HAD the one basic plan/goal see? and thus always the
same basic formula too! but they can't just keep applying it the same
old/same-old way each time, they have to jazz/tart it up each time! and
wot we gots ourselves NOW is the right-wing with fucking BELLS on! and
THIS one's gonna SHOW 'em ALL how to do it; good & proper! (so much so,
that even many of his own minions are kinda pooping themselves a bit by
now + worrying if this is all gonna be okay?? is it ok? i dunno, maybe
it
is, maybe it isn't, am not sure? pfffft! lol... and just my sense of
humour but i think also true...)

i mean; I'M scared too! - coz it looks like they mean business this
time!
(those fuckers 'agenda' is just about the scariest thing there is!
sheesh!) - it's basically 'always' been a 'police-state' (peace through
strength; riiiight...) but perhaps never before quite so... overt!?!
possibly because peeps are becoming so inured to it all, that much more
'sheep-like' that they don't really even 'need' to hide it so well
anymore!? the veneer's wearing thinner!

but it's not like i don't completely understand where you're coming from
ya know, go back a few years and i was once an angry young man too?
(you're a bit old to an angry young man heh, but it's basically the same
deal? the same angst! the same 'annoyance' at the SHIT we all have to
put
up with dammit! ya do a few protest marches, ya write a few pointed
letters to the editor of the times (or whatever heh) ya cuss-out the
world
for all being so goddamn fucking blind! for being so damn ignorant! and
then ya realise what it is! that's precisely the problem! they're blind
AND ignorant!)

but what-are-ya-gonna-do eh? they really ARE all blind and ignorant!
literally falling over themselves & walking into lampposts and
everything!
going in circles; the lot! up to their necks in it they are! (fuck off
yoda...)

i don't 'hate' them jeremy, actually i pity them! they're all caught up
in
a situation of their own creation & making? painted themselves right
into
a corner they have! (i said shut up!) and no imagination to speak of
(not
enough anyway) to ever come up with something (anything!) different
that'll get them out of it!

'my' problem is i kinda like 'em? don't want anything horrible to happen
to them anyways hah! plus even mr T was a beautiful/adorable little baby
once! fuck all wrong with him! had all the potential in the world to
'remain' beautiful! so wtf happened to it to have damaged it quite so
terribly?? the 'world' happened to it! as it does to us all... and it
*ain't* pretty!

i wouldn't wish it even on my worst enemy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q

play again sam! :)

Christ on a crutch, slider, that's one fucking LONG diatribe :)

### - ya didn't like it??

aww shame :)))

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You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

### - 'everyone' knows jack, jeremy. :)

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mr angry wrote...

What a terrible shitstorm.
And in my opinion, these are not even the worst things about Trump.

### - i think/observe that you 'love' it!

are reveling in it??

why so much... hate & hatred ALL the time?

(and not just for T; he's just the latest...)

i thought you said you were a 'nice' person! :)

or is 'anger' your prime emotion?

your default mode...

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From: intraphase@gmail.com

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 11:47:08 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

### - 'everyone' knows jack, jeremy. :)

I know Jack

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 04:34:57 -0000, LowRider44M <intraphase@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 11:47:08 PM UTC-4, slider wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

### - 'everyone' knows jack, jeremy. :)

I know Jack

===================================

### - honesty at its BEST! :D

("it's only when ya know nothing that you finally know it all?"

--or something heh...)

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You don't know diddly squat, Slider. :)

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You don't know diddly squat, Slider. :)

### - yeah, but then neither do you. :)

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too.

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant
muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration
(all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you
are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here
and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her
child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and
Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even questionable.

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the
average 12 year old. You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people
are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then
left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica coming...


Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities,
threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about democracy,
and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck.
The people of Germany

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a
solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later
something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

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On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a
solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:42 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too.

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant
muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration
(all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

It's true that I'm no threat - but not for those reasons.
The real reason: I'm not violent or crazy. :)

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you
are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here
and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

Our internet provider isn't "Roadrunner". That's antiquated info.
And it's actually not Sunland; it's Shadow Hills, a smaller
community near Sunland.

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her
child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even questionable.

You don't pay attention well enough to stalk anyone properly. :)
Only two people live in this house 90% of the time, Vicki and I.
One of her daughters lives in a college dorm, and is only home
on breaks and holidays, while the other daughter lives with her
boyfriend (although some of her stuff is stored here). She hasn't
spent the night here once in over 6 months. As for 'Herbie Katz',
he's one of the people who lived here years ago before we moved in.
I'm always having to return his fucking mail...

My son moved to Oregon nearly 2 years ago (Salem), and will soon
be moving to Vegas to live with his 5 professional gaming teammates
in a really nice 5 bedroom "gamer house" being paid for by their
company sponsors - rent and bills paid, w/ medical/dental/vision
insurance, and base salary of $50,000 (plus his own streaming
revenue and tournament winnings). Sweet deal!

I love to brag about that kid. :)

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the average 12 year old.

Well, 'all that' does seem rather descriptive of your abilities, yes.
LOL. I would have told you more if you'd only asked.

You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :)

While you're just creepy and super-vengeful. And THIS is how you
spend your time? Wow. You're the one who needs to get a life. :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people
are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then
left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica coming...

You only indicated how stupid and ugly you are, which I knew.
I don't give a rat's ass about Cambridge Analytica, at least not
personally, since I always double check any net info anyway, being a
good skeptic. No one can 'target me' effectively with information
alone. That is not possible.

But you do have me wondering if you're actually fucked up enough
to attack us or try to undermine us somehow. Because you talk
and act as if you very well might...

Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

You're perpetually concerned with shit that doesn't matter at all.

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities,
threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about democracy,
and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck.
The people of Germany

Finally made a good point, albeit an obvious one. I live in a nation
full of idiots, apparently. But being 'open' is far from their worst characteristic (actually, that's just another trait of being liberal).

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geez get a life and don't be such a turd.

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Oops, I forgot about this little piece of misinformation:

thang wrote:

Phone numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433).

Maybe so, but... that isn't any of our numbers. It's not even the
right area code. :) Vicki and her daughters all have an 805 area
code and my area code is 661. Chris has my number, btw
(but of course he wouldn't give it to you).

Maybe it's that Katz person's number. Hilarious.

What are you going to do, thang? Call up late at night and breathe
heavily into the phone? :)

You know, I noticed something the other day when I looked myself up
on some of the major services like Intellius. Probably due to
how much I've moved all around, they have LOTS of my personal
information completely wrong. It's quite funny, actually.
Really cracked me up.

In spite of how I haven't ever hidden anything, all of the major
info services have most of my information *wrong*. Apparently,
they all got confused by some other people who share my same
name and by my long and winding road through life.

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:03:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a
solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is
transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later
something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

### - you're right! they're *your* friends jerome, not his :P

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 07:35:55 -0700 (PDT), ClutchCargo
<allreadydun@gmail.com> wrote:

geez get a life and don't be such a turd.

Don't be so thin skinned.



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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:42 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too.

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant
muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration
(all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

It's true that I'm no threat - but not for those reasons.
The real reason: I'm not violent or crazy. :)

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you
are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here
and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

Our internet provider isn't "Roadrunner". That's antiquated info.
And it's actually not Sunland; it's Shadow Hills, a smaller
community near Sunland.

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her
child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki
Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and
Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even
questionable.

You don't pay attention well enough to stalk anyone properly. :)
Only two people live in this house 90% of the time, Vicki and I.
One of her daughters lives in a college dorm, and is only home
on breaks and holidays, while the other daughter lives with her
boyfriend (although some of her stuff is stored here). She hasn't
spent the night here once in over 6 months. As for 'Herbie Katz',
he's one of the people who lived here years ago before we moved in.
I'm always having to return his fucking mail...

My son moved to Oregon nearly 2 years ago (Salem), and will soon
be moving to Vegas to live with his 5 professional gaming teammates
in a really nice 5 bedroom "gamer house" being paid for by their
company sponsors - rent and bills paid, w/ medical/dental/vision
insurance, and base salary of $50,000 (plus his own streaming
revenue and tournament winnings). Sweet deal!

I love to brag about that kid. :)

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the
average 12 year old.

Well, 'all that' does seem rather descriptive of your abilities, yes.
LOL. I would have told you more if you'd only asked.

You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :)

While you're just creepy and super-vengeful. And THIS is how you
spend your time? Wow. You're the one who needs to get a life. :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people
are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then
left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica
coming...

You only indicated how stupid and ugly you are, which I knew.
I don't give a rat's ass about Cambridge Analytica, at least not
personally, since I always double check any net info anyway, being a
good skeptic. No one can 'target me' effectively with information
alone. That is not possible.

But you do have me wondering if you're actually fucked up enough
to attack us or try to undermine us somehow. Because you talk
and act as if you very well might...

Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

You're perpetually concerned with shit that doesn't matter at all.

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities,
threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about democracy, >> and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck.
The people of Germany

Finally made a good point, albeit an obvious one. I live in a nation
full of idiots, apparently. But being 'open' is far from their worst >characteristic (actually, that's just another trait of being liberal).

The point I made, which you studiously ignored or even worse, didn't
see, was that people generally have *willingly* lost their privacy and
if they wish, their anonymity. These are precious resources which
when lost are very difficult to retrieve. FB has conned everyone. So
has gurgle (but at least gurlgle can be defeated by onion routing or
good offshore VPN's in non-5 eyes (or 12-eyes) countries like Romania)
and the other presently independent outfits like twitter.

But Zuckerberg's conjob is by far the worst. Who in their right mind
would take photos of themselves walking around parks, outdoors,
engaging in intimacies and the like and then tape them to every shop
window and lamp post in town? But they willingly post them on FB for
a much wider audience than just the local town or even city - a
worldwide audience, for anyone who wants to peer in at your innermost
life.

Fucking world of drooling, conned, gipped fools. Now you are all
starting to wake up to this nonsense after the Cambridge Analytica
affair, but it's too late. Your spoor is everywhere David Jerome,
just like practically everyone - except me, mate, except me :)

I have left NO spoor on the net. I am impossible to trace. You do
not even know my given name, where I hail from, who I am indeed -
while I can pin you down quite easily if I wanted to there is no way
you can pin me down and extract any details whatsoever about me or my
life. Perhaps everything I have ever posted here is a lie? You
wouldn't know. I may reside in Albania rather than Australia, who
knows, and as far as I am concerned, who cares.

I don't have even ONE photo of myself anywhere on the net. You have a
lot from that LinkdIn photo to your FB page and probably instagram and
who knows what more. You are so damn gullible and naive - why do you
NEED to put all that shit, your conquests, where you've been all that
crap, on public view? What drives you to that? Some inner
inadequacy? Some lack of internal balance?

I have no tracks. I haven't voted here in two decades. This posting
account is not in my name. I don't appear on our electoral roll, nor
in any other records, federal or state. That is just the fucking way
I like it. I am in full control of my fate.

That's the point I was making which as usual, you skim over or don't
even perceive in the first place. Too bad.

.

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority,
but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"

Marcus Aurelius
Meditations

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:50:17 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:03:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan ><david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a
solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is
transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later
something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

### - you're right! they're *your* friends jerome, not his :P

You've lost me on that one tiger...

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:17:46 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:50:17 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:03:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
<david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a
solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is
transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later
something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

### - you're right! they're *your* friends jerome, not his :P

You've lost me on that one tiger...

### - hehe guessed as much + indirectly tried to clue you in to the
'punning' that's been afoot with this one, one that started with "you
don't know jack shit" to you from jer, & my retort that: 'everyone' knows
jack jeremy! (meaning everyone knows nada really + with a slight pun on
someone actually called jack) with lowrider then jumping in stating: 'i
know jack!' and my reply to 'that of 'such honesty!' (coz no one actually
+ really knows fuck all of any moment...) and jer then 'compounding' your confusion with "You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, (either) thang."
and my retort of the above: "you're right! they're *your* friends jerome,
not his", meaning/implying; of course you (thang) don't know peeps like
that, they're more jer's acquaintances than either of yours or mine! (haha)

get it? (pretty silly/infantile actually but a good pun on knowing jack shit...)

being aware that 'you' weren't following the joke, jeremy was just making
it even worse heh (or was at least trying to/taking the piss) by including doodly squat or bo diddly (2 more implied suggestions that you know
nothing, both also possibly people's names along the same lines as jack
shit, and ridiculous when it's all spelled out like that innit heh :)

jeremy's 'friends': jack shit, doodly squat & bo diddly, not being peeps
anyone would really wanna know... (perforce am aware of them, but ain't on speaking terms with them quite like jeremy is hah, was my implication/joke originally) :)

of course, due to all of the above convoluted explanation; the whole
thing's a lot funnier when left unspoken :)

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:12:15 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:17:46 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:50:17 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:03:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
<david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a >>>>> solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will.
And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is >>>>> transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It
never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later
something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap
you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands
from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

### - you're right! they're *your* friends jerome, not his :P

You've lost me on that one tiger...

### - hehe guessed as much + indirectly tried to clue you in to the
'punning' that's been afoot with this one, one that started with "you
don't know jack shit" to you from jer, & my retort that: 'everyone' knows >jack jeremy! (meaning everyone knows nada really + with a slight pun on >someone actually called jack) with lowrider then jumping in stating: 'i
know jack!' and my reply to 'that of 'such honesty!' (coz no one actually
+ really knows fuck all of any moment...) and jer then 'compounding' your >confusion with "You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, (either) thang." >and my retort of the above: "you're right! they're *your* friends jerome,
not his", meaning/implying; of course you (thang) don't know peeps like
that, they're more jer's acquaintances than either of yours or mine! (haha)

get it? (pretty silly/infantile actually but a good pun on knowing jack >shit...)

being aware that 'you' weren't following the joke, jeremy was just making
it even worse heh (or was at least trying to/taking the piss) by including >doodly squat or bo diddly (2 more implied suggestions that you know
nothing, both also possibly people's names along the same lines as jack
shit, and ridiculous when it's all spelled out like that innit heh :)

jeremy's 'friends': jack shit, doodly squat & bo diddly, not being peeps >anyone would really wanna know... (perforce am aware of them, but ain't on >speaking terms with them quite like jeremy is hah, was my implication/joke >originally) :)

of course, due to all of the above convoluted explanation; the whole
thing's a lot funnier when left unspoken :)

Convoluted? Convulsed is more like it lol

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From: slider@anashram.com

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:02:55 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:12:15 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:17:46 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:50:17 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:03:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
<david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus >>>>> wrote:

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

You don't know jack shit, thang. :)

Oh I know quite a lot, David Jerome. Quite a lot and every day is a >>>>>> solid learning, even autodidactic, experience.

More than likely I know quite a bit more than you do, or ever will. >>>>>> And my memory is keen and retentive.

I just happen to think you are completely arrogant in a way which is >>>>>> transparently concocted in order to bulletproof a fragile ego. It >>>>>> never works, I tried that once and it didn't work. Sooner or later >>>>>> something, someone or just good ol' nature will come along and slap >>>>>> you offa ya high horse. And the higher that horse, the more hands >>>>>> from the ground, the longer and more catastrophic the fall.

Take a good look...

You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, thang. :)

### - you're right! they're *your* friends jerome, not his :P

You've lost me on that one tiger...

### - hehe guessed as much + indirectly tried to clue you in to the
'punning' that's been afoot with this one, one that started with "you
don't know jack shit" to you from jer, & my retort that: 'everyone'
knows
jack jeremy! (meaning everyone knows nada really + with a slight pun on
someone actually called jack) with lowrider then jumping in stating: 'i
know jack!' and my reply to 'that of 'such honesty!' (coz no one
actually
+ really knows fuck all of any moment...) and jer then 'compounding'
your
confusion with "You don't know doodly squat or bo diddly, (either)
thang."
and my retort of the above: "you're right! they're *your* friends
jerome,
not his", meaning/implying; of course you (thang) don't know peeps like
that, they're more jer's acquaintances than either of yours or mine!
(haha)

get it? (pretty silly/infantile actually but a good pun on knowing jack
shit...)

being aware that 'you' weren't following the joke, jeremy was just
making
it even worse heh (or was at least trying to/taking the piss) by
including
doodly squat or bo diddly (2 more implied suggestions that you know
nothing, both also possibly people's names along the same lines as jack
shit, and ridiculous when it's all spelled out like that innit heh :)

jeremy's 'friends': jack shit, doodly squat & bo diddly, not being peeps
anyone would really wanna know... (perforce am aware of them, but ain't
on
speaking terms with them quite like jeremy is hah, was my
implication/joke
originally) :)

of course, due to all of the above convoluted explanation; the whole
thing's a lot funnier when left unspoken :)

Convoluted? Convulsed is more like it lol

### - hahaha... puns 'are' simple, but ain't always so simple to explain
after several rounds...

but this was a good one heh... :)

you don't know jack shit! (jeremy)

'everyone' knows Jack! (from moi + there's the first pun by turning it
into a name...)

i know Jack! (lowrider's express admission of knowing nada + punning on
same)

such honesty! (moi qualifying the original pun on the name jack)

you don't know doodly squat and/or bo diddly! (jer's same accusation using different terms/names)

of course he doesn't! they're *your* friends not his! (moi: same pun in
names + alternate twist)

and then, we gets thang rolling his eyes at the sheer inanity of it all hahaha...

good eh? :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 2:10:28 AM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:42 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"

wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too.

Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant
muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration
(all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

It's true that I'm no threat - but not for those reasons.
The real reason: I'm not violent or crazy. :)

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you
are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here
and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

Our internet provider isn't "Roadrunner". That's antiquated info.
And it's actually not Sunland; it's Shadow Hills, a smaller
community near Sunland.

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her
child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki
Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and
Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even
questionable.

You don't pay attention well enough to stalk anyone properly. :)
Only two people live in this house 90% of the time, Vicki and I.
One of her daughters lives in a college dorm, and is only home
on breaks and holidays, while the other daughter lives with her
boyfriend (although some of her stuff is stored here). She hasn't
spent the night here once in over 6 months. As for 'Herbie Katz',
he's one of the people who lived here years ago before we moved in.
I'm always having to return his fucking mail...

My son moved to Oregon nearly 2 years ago (Salem), and will soon
be moving to Vegas to live with his 5 professional gaming teammates
in a really nice 5 bedroom "gamer house" being paid for by their
company sponsors - rent and bills paid, w/ medical/dental/vision
insurance, and base salary of $50,000 (plus his own streaming
revenue and tournament winnings). Sweet deal!

I love to brag about that kid. :)

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the
average 12 year old.

Well, 'all that' does seem rather descriptive of your abilities, yes.
LOL. I would have told you more if you'd only asked.

You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :)

While you're just creepy and super-vengeful. And THIS is how you
spend your time? Wow. You're the one who needs to get a life. :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people
are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then
left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica
coming...

You only indicated how stupid and ugly you are, which I knew.
I don't give a rat's ass about Cambridge Analytica, at least not >personally, since I always double check any net info anyway, being a
good skeptic. No one can 'target me' effectively with information
alone. That is not possible.

But you do have me wondering if you're actually fucked up enough
to attack us or try to undermine us somehow. Because you talk
and act as if you very well might...

Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

You're perpetually concerned with shit that doesn't matter at all.

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities,
threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about democracy, >> and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck.
The people of Germany

Finally made a good point, albeit an obvious one. I live in a nation
full of idiots, apparently. But being 'open' is far from their worst >characteristic (actually, that's just another trait of being liberal).

The point I made, which you studiously ignored or even worse, didn't
see, was that people generally have *willingly* lost their privacy and
if they wish, their anonymity. These are precious resources which
when lost are very difficult to retrieve. FB has conned everyone. So
has gurgle (but at least gurlgle can be defeated by onion routing or
good offshore VPN's in non-5 eyes (or 12-eyes) countries like Romania)
and the other presently independent outfits like twitter.

But Zuckerberg's conjob is by far the worst. Who in their right mind
would take photos of themselves walking around parks, outdoors,
engaging in intimacies and the like and then tape them to every shop
window and lamp post in town? But they willingly post them on FB for
a much wider audience than just the local town or even city - a
worldwide audience, for anyone who wants to peer in at your innermost
life.

Fucking world of drooling, conned, gipped fools. Now you are all
starting to wake up to this nonsense after the Cambridge Analytica
affair, but it's too late. Your spoor is everywhere David Jerome,
just like practically everyone - except me, mate, except me :)

I have left NO spoor on the net. I am impossible to trace. You do
not even know my given name, where I hail from, who I am indeed -
while I can pin you down quite easily if I wanted to there is no way
you can pin me down and extract any details whatsoever about me or my
life. Perhaps everything I have ever posted here is a lie? You
wouldn't know. I may reside in Albania rather than Australia, who
knows, and as far as I am concerned, who cares.

Indeed. Who cares? You say these things like they're supposed
to be really impressive. Not to me.

I'm not afraid of Cambridge Analytica or Facebook. Things I want
to keep private can still be kept that way. I'm fine with people
knowing my name, address, phone... how I've lived, etc.
It hasn't caused me a problem yet except for being bullshit
right and left by you. :)

I don't have even ONE photo of myself anywhere on the net.

Maybe you're ugly? Or frightened of everyone? I don't know...

You have a
lot from that LinkdIn photo to your FB page and probably instagram and
who knows what more. You are so damn gullible and naive - why do you
NEED to put all that shit, your conquests, where you've been all that
crap, on public view? What drives you to that? Some inner
inadequacy? Some lack of internal balance?

Well, obviously it's the internal instinctive evolutionary
drive to leave my 'spoor' everywhere. :)

No really, I mainly just think it's fun. And useful.
"There is no harm in repeating a good thing." -Plato

I have no tracks. I haven't voted here in two decades. This posting
account is not in my name. I don't appear on our electoral roll, nor
in any other records, federal or state. That is just the fucking way
I like it.

Okay. Enjoy. I have a way I like too.

"Justice means minding one's own business
and not meddling with other men's concerns." -Plato

I am in full control of my fate.

No, you're not. No one is.
"You have power over your mind - not outside events." - Marcus Aurelius

That's the point I was making which as usual, you skim over or don't
even perceive in the first place. Too bad.

Well, sorry to thwart your life ambition of trying to make
a point with me - but unfortunately, you haven't.
You obsess over things that don't matter so very much.
Just my opinion. :)

.

"If it is not right do not do it;
if it is not true do not say it." -Marcus Aurelius

.

Ol' Bo Diddley, spreading his 'spoor' in public: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJj22Z006ec

.

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Ol' Bo Diddley, spreading his 'spoor' in public: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJj22Z006ec

### - @ 1.55 minutes that's gots to be one of 'the' shortest tracks ever?

lol have heard songs with just longer into's??

2.5 to 3 mins was average for most pop song releases right up until the
v.late 70's

then mostly 3+ mins avg after that till now, when just about anything
goes...

there were exceptions, of course, with the likes of john coltrane?

not so much his singles, but did do one set playing 'my fav things' for
the whole gig!

(dunno how long the set actually was, maybe an hour or so playing just the
one track, and then they all packed up and went home!)

and the crowd went wild hehehe...

cool :)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 5:06:11 AM UTC-7, slider wrote:

Ol' Bo Diddley, spreading his 'spoor' in public: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJj22Z006ec

### - @ 1.55 minutes that's gots to be one of 'the' shortest tracks ever?

lol have heard songs with just longer into's??

2.5 to 3 mins was average for most pop song releases right up until the v.late 70's

then mostly 3+ mins avg after that till now, when just about anything goes...

there were exceptions, of course, with the likes of john coltrane?

not so much his singles, but did do one set playing 'my fav things' for
the whole gig!

(dunno how long the set actually was, maybe an hour or so playing just the one track, and then they all packed up and went home!)

and the crowd went wild hehehe...

cool :)

It was done the year I was born.

History of the performance:

Bo Diddley introduced himself and his namesake beat
to the world on this day in 1955 with his television debut
on The Ed Sullivan Show.

Bo Diddley opened his appearance on Ed Sullivan with the
eponymously titled song “Bo Diddley,”. This now-famous number
set portions of the children’s rhyme “Mockingbird” to what is
now known as “the Bo Diddley beat” — a syncopated rhythm in
4/4 time that is the foundation of such rock-and-roll classics
as Buddy Holly’s “Not Fade Away” and the Stangeloves’
“I Want Candy,” among countless others. Five months before
Elvis Presley would make his famous Ed Sullivan debut,
Diddley’s performance gave many Americans their first exposure
to rock and roll, though that term was not yet familiar to
mainstream audiences. Neither was the Bo Diddley beat,
yet within just a few seconds of the drum-and-maraca opening
of “Bo Diddley,” the live Ed Sullivan audience can be heard
spontaneously clapping along to the distinctive rhythm in the
surviving kinescope recording of the performance.

As Diddley would later tell the story, Ed Sullivan had expected
him to perform only a cover version of “Tennessee” Ernie Ford’s “Sixteen Tons” and was furious enough with him for opening with
“Bo Diddley” that Sullivan banned him from future appearances
on his show. Be that as it may, Diddley’s appearance on this day
in 1955 introduced a sound that would influence generations of
followers. As blues-rock artist George Thorogood — who performed
and recorded many Bo Diddley covers during his own career —
once told Rolling Stone: “[Chuck Berry’s] ‘Maybellene’ is a
country song sped up… ‘Johnny B. Goode’ is blues sped up.
But you listen to ‘Bo Diddley,’ and you say, ‘What in the
Jesus is that?'”

.

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From: thangolossus@gmail.com

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan" <david.j.worrell@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 2:10:28 AM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"

wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:42 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote: >> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"

wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too. >> >> >
Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant
muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration
(all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

It's true that I'm no threat - but not for those reasons.
The real reason: I'm not violent or crazy. :)

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you
are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here
and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

Our internet provider isn't "Roadrunner". That's antiquated info.
And it's actually not Sunland; it's Shadow Hills, a smaller
community near Sunland.

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her
child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki
Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and
Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even
questionable.

You don't pay attention well enough to stalk anyone properly. :)
Only two people live in this house 90% of the time, Vicki and I.
One of her daughters lives in a college dorm, and is only home
on breaks and holidays, while the other daughter lives with her
boyfriend (although some of her stuff is stored here). She hasn't
spent the night here once in over 6 months. As for 'Herbie Katz',
he's one of the people who lived here years ago before we moved in.
I'm always having to return his fucking mail...

My son moved to Oregon nearly 2 years ago (Salem), and will soon
be moving to Vegas to live with his 5 professional gaming teammates
in a really nice 5 bedroom "gamer house" being paid for by their
company sponsors - rent and bills paid, w/ medical/dental/vision
insurance, and base salary of $50,000 (plus his own streaming
revenue and tournament winnings). Sweet deal!

I love to brag about that kid. :)

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the
average 12 year old.

Well, 'all that' does seem rather descriptive of your abilities, yes.
LOL. I would have told you more if you'd only asked.

You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :)

While you're just creepy and super-vengeful. And THIS is how you
spend your time? Wow. You're the one who needs to get a life. :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people
are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then
left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica
coming...

You only indicated how stupid and ugly you are, which I knew.
I don't give a rat's ass about Cambridge Analytica, at least not
personally, since I always double check any net info anyway, being a
good skeptic. No one can 'target me' effectively with information
alone. That is not possible.

But you do have me wondering if you're actually fucked up enough
to attack us or try to undermine us somehow. Because you talk
and act as if you very well might...

Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

You're perpetually concerned with shit that doesn't matter at all.

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities,
threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about democracy,
and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong?

Good luck.
The people of Germany

Finally made a good point, albeit an obvious one. I live in a nation
full of idiots, apparently. But being 'open' is far from their worst
characteristic (actually, that's just another trait of being liberal).

The point I made, which you studiously ignored or even worse, didn't
see, was that people generally have *willingly* lost their privacy and
if they wish, their anonymity. These are precious resources which
when lost are very difficult to retrieve. FB has conned everyone. So
has gurgle (but at least gurlgle can be defeated by onion routing or
good offshore VPN's in non-5 eyes (or 12-eyes) countries like Romania)
and the other presently independent outfits like twitter.

But Zuckerberg's conjob is by far the worst. Who in their right mind
would take photos of themselves walking around parks, outdoors,
engaging in intimacies and the like and then tape them to every shop
window and lamp post in town? But they willingly post them on FB for
a much wider audience than just the local town or even city - a
worldwide audience, for anyone who wants to peer in at your innermost
life.

Fucking world of drooling, conned, gipped fools. Now you are all
starting to wake up to this nonsense after the Cambridge Analytica
affair, but it's too late. Your spoor is everywhere David Jerome,
just like practically everyone - except me, mate, except me :)

I have left NO spoor on the net. I am impossible to trace. You do
not even know my given name, where I hail from, who I am indeed -
while I can pin you down quite easily if I wanted to there is no way
you can pin me down and extract any details whatsoever about me or my
life. Perhaps everything I have ever posted here is a lie? You
wouldn't know. I may reside in Albania rather than Australia, who
knows, and as far as I am concerned, who cares.

Indeed. Who cares? You say these things like they're supposed
to be really impressive. Not to me.

I'm not afraid of Cambridge Analytica or Facebook. Things I want
to keep private can still be kept that way. I'm fine with people
knowing my name, address, phone... how I've lived, etc.
It hasn't caused me a problem yet except for being bullshit
right and left by you. :)

That's the problem, you're just one of the 2 billion people who have
been mesmerised by Zuckerberg into putting all your private stuff
(buying habits, travels, private data, photos, networks, friendships
and so on) onto servers for god know's what sort of purpose -
Cambridge Analytica, which helped FUCKING PUT TRUMP WHERE HE IS,
demonstrates just one of the nefarious ways in which your private
information can be used.

You tell me that you don't care about any of this but you bleat and
whinny and whine about Trump, yet it's cunts like YOU who stupidly put
your entire lives on Zuckerberg's servers (and gurgle, and instagram
and the rest of them) for them to use as they wish. The Russians have
accessed your information David Jerome, yet you say you don't care.

You are nothing less than a fucking fool.

I don't have even ONE photo of myself anywhere on the net.

Maybe you're ugly? Or frightened of everyone? I don't know...

No I'm profoundly clever. I would never have put my photos or private
info on display around the town I was born in, the city I now live in
- yet people do that routinely with FB and gurgle. Now while the
Russians, Zuk, Assange, the data banks in MI6 and NSA and all the
others have your information, they do not have mine. Don't you get
it, you old fool? You've been an idiot.

You have a
lot from that LinkdIn photo to your FB page and probably instagram and
who knows what more. You are so damn gullible and naive - why do you
NEED to put all that shit, your conquests, where you've been all that
crap, on public view? What drives you to that? Some inner
inadequacy? Some lack of internal balance?

Well, obviously it's the internal instinctive evolutionary
drive to leave my 'spoor' everywhere. :)

Those who in an evolutionary sense left their spoor everywhere were
eaten by the carnivores whose expertise and forte in being top line
predators was *tracking* spoor. Yet, here you are now, leaving spoor.
Fool.

Even grunts in your army are trained to spade over wheel and
caterpillar/tank tracks so that the enemy can't spot the weapons from
the air, or track them from the ground.

No really, I mainly just think it's fun. And useful.
"There is no harm in repeating a good thing." -Plato

I have no tracks. I haven't voted here in two decades. This posting
account is not in my name. I don't appear on our electoral roll, nor
in any other records, federal or state. That is just the fucking way
I like it.

Okay. Enjoy. I have a way I like too.

Yep. Showing the world where you've been, how good a worker you are,
how productive you have been, how good your children are, who you
associate with, how happy you are, how settled and pleased and
satisfied you are. Why the need to do all this? Can't you just be
happy in yourself without needing to suck appreciation from others?

Each to their own.

"Justice means minding one's own business
and not meddling with other men's concerns." -Plato

I am in full control of my fate.

No, you're not. No one is.
"You have power over your mind - not outside events." - Marcus Aurelius

That's the point I was making which as usual, you skim over or don't
even perceive in the first place. Too bad.

Well, sorry to thwart your life ambition of trying to make
a point with me - but unfortunately, you haven't.
You obsess over things that don't matter so very much.
Just my opinion. :)

Ah, you *do* agree with me, I can tell. No point hiding it. And how
could you not?

I'm making progress with you...

.

"If it is not right do not do it;
if it is not true do not say it." -Marcus Aurelius

.

Ol' Bo Diddley, spreading his 'spoor' in public: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJj22Z006ec

.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 10:52:39 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote:

On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 2:10:28 AM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"

wrote:

On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 6:41:42 PM UTC-7, thang ornerythinchus

wrote:

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:11:19 -0700 (PDT), "Jeremy H. Denisovan"
wrote:

See, I'm the exact demographic that elected Trump. I'm supposed
to be one of his own people: older, white, male, born and raised in
the American heartland, with parents, grandparents, etc. who were too. >> >> >
Yet... I *hate* the sonofabitch. :)
He's the enemy of just about everything I stand for.

And notice, I've been hating on the corrupt a-hole for more than
a year (albeit rather carefully), and... no one has come after me.

Yep I suppose they haven't and on reflection, won't. Thinking about
it:

1. You're no threat. You're "semi-retired", mid-60's with attendant >> >> muscle and bone deterioration and probable brain matter deterioration >> >> (all of which is part of the normal aging process and applies to
anyone of similar age in reasonable health), no affiliation with
dangerous groups and no criminal or revolutionary history or
background.

It's true that I'm no threat - but not for those reasons.
The real reason: I'm not violent or crazy. :)

2. You're easily found at any time. You post from 172.117.132.220
which is Roadrunner in Sunland, where you live, you post through
Google Groups which is not particularly technically proficient and you >> >> are all, and I mean ALL, over the internet (FB, LinkdIn, postings here >> >> and in other fora under your own name and with long term email
addresses etc).

Our internet provider isn't "Roadrunner". That's antiquated info.
And it's actually not Sunland; it's Shadow Hills, a smaller
community near Sunland.

3. You have boarding or habitation arrangements with a woman and her >> >> child and other people in the same address at 10188 La Canada - Vicki >> >> Halliburton/Hunter (CPA - dormant), possibly your son, Herbie Katz and >> >> Vicki's daughter and maybe Herbie's son. It's a rental. Phone
numbers are easily accessible (eg 818 293-3433). There are a lot of
people staying in this house and none of them are dangerous or even
questionable.

You don't pay attention well enough to stalk anyone properly. :)
Only two people live in this house 90% of the time, Vicki and I.
One of her daughters lives in a college dorm, and is only home
on breaks and holidays, while the other daughter lives with her
boyfriend (although some of her stuff is stored here). She hasn't
spent the night here once in over 6 months. As for 'Herbie Katz',
he's one of the people who lived here years ago before we moved in.
I'm always having to return his fucking mail...

My son moved to Oregon nearly 2 years ago (Salem), and will soon
be moving to Vegas to live with his 5 professional gaming teammates
in a really nice 5 bedroom "gamer house" being paid for by their
company sponsors - rent and bills paid, w/ medical/dental/vision
insurance, and base salary of $50,000 (plus his own streaming
revenue and tournament winnings). Sweet deal!

I love to brag about that kid. :)

All this Dave without any in-depth searching, this is all free to
anyone with marginal effort using basic search skills available to the >> >> average 12 year old.

Well, 'all that' does seem rather descriptive of your abilities, yes.
LOL. I would have told you more if you'd only asked.

You have left your spoor all over the net and
cursory examination of said spoor indicates you are boringly normal :) >> >

While you're just creepy and super-vengeful. And THIS is how you
spend your time? Wow. You're the one who needs to get a life. :)

Before you get on one of your numerous high-horses and spit out
"stalking", nay, mate, I was not. I was indicating how stupid people >> >> are in this era of leaving your private details all over the net,
basic initial stupidity being to fucking post using google groups,
what was once the old Deja News which was acquired by Google and then >> >> left to fester and rot as a sand trap for unwary netizens who are
completely disinterested in privacy and have never, ever read "1984"
or watched "Brazil". And, who didn't see Facebook/Cambridge Analytica >> >> coming...

You only indicated how stupid and ugly you are, which I knew.
I don't give a rat's ass about Cambridge Analytica, at least not
personally, since I always double check any net info anyway, being a
good skeptic. No one can 'target me' effectively with information
alone. That is not possible.

But you do have me wondering if you're actually fucked up enough
to attack us or try to undermine us somehow. Because you talk
and act as if you very well might...

Spend $10 and buy a fucking block from Astra or Highwinds or someone
or use a free text service like Slider does (I think he uses Aioe or
Eternal September or similar)...do NOT use google groups. jeez...

You're perpetually concerned with shit that doesn't matter at all.

Dear Americans.

Go ahead, vote for the guy with the loud voice who hates minorities, >> >> threatens to imprison his opponents, doesn't give a fuck about

democracy,

and claims he alone can fix everything. What could possibly go wrong? >> >>
Good luck.
The people of Germany

Finally made a good point, albeit an obvious one. I live in a nation
full of idiots, apparently. But being 'open' is far from their worst
characteristic (actually, that's just another trait of being liberal).

The point I made, which you studiously ignored or even worse, didn't
see, was that people generally have *willingly* lost their privacy and
if they wish, their anonymity. These are precious resources which
when lost are very difficult to retrieve. FB has conned everyone. So
has gurgle (but at least gurlgle can be defeated by onion routing or
good offshore VPN's in non-5 eyes (or 12-eyes) countries like Romania)
and the other presently independent outfits like twitter.

But Zuckerberg's conjob is by far the worst. Who in their right mind
would take photos of themselves walking around parks, outdoors,
engaging in intimacies and the like and then tape them to every shop
window and lamp post in town? But they willingly post them on FB for
a much wider audience than just the local town or even city - a
worldwide audience, for anyone who wants to peer in at your innermost
life.

Fucking world of drooling, conned, gipped fools. Now you are all
starting to wake up to this nonsense after the Cambridge Analytica
affair, but it's too late. Your spoor is everywhere David Jerome,
just like practically everyone - except me, mate, except me :)

I have left NO spoor on the net. I am impossible to trace. You do
not even know my given name, where I hail from, who I am indeed -
while I can pin you down quite easily if I wanted to there is no way
you can pin me down and extract any details whatsoever about me or my
life. Perhaps everything I have ever posted here is a lie? You
wouldn't know. I may reside in Albania rather than Australia, who
knows, and as far as I am concerned, who cares.

Indeed. Who cares? You say these things like they're supposed
to be really impressive. Not to me.

I'm not afraid of Cambridge Analytica or Facebook. Things I want
to keep private can still be kept that way. I'm fine with people
knowing my name, address, phone... how I've lived, etc.
It hasn't caused me a problem yet except for being bullshit
right and left by you. :)

That's the problem, you're just one of the 2 billion people who have
been mesmerised by Zuckerberg into putting all your private stuff
(buying habits, travels, private data, photos, networks, friendships
and so on) onto servers for god know's what sort of purpose -
Cambridge Analytica, which helped FUCKING PUT TRUMP WHERE HE IS,
demonstrates just one of the nefarious ways in which your private
information can be used.

You tell me that you don't care about any of this but you bleat and
whinny and whine about Trump, yet it's cunts like YOU who stupidly put
your entire lives on Zuckerberg's servers (and gurgle, and instagram
and the rest of them) for them to use as they wish. The Russians have accessed your information David Jerome, yet you say you don't care.

You are nothing less than a fucking fool.

Gosh, I think I finally see what you mean. I just realized, hey,
those Russians now know that I love hiking and photography. They
know what art galleries and plays I go see, how I like to spend
family vacations, and even know many of the interests I have,
like science and music. They probably even know I like hot dogs,
and since they could just get my address right off the internet,
they could send agents by to leave a poisoned hot dog on my porch
to entice me. I didn't even think of that before. So man, thanks
for warning me. I just realized, with their hacking skills,
I bet those Russians could even figure out what hotel reservations
I am making and then wait for me out on one of my favorite trails
(dressed like a bear so I wouldn't know anything weird is going on).
Damn, the possibilities are endless; I'm really getting freaked out
here and now it's too late! What a fool I've been!

I don't have even ONE photo of myself anywhere on the net.

Maybe you're ugly? Or frightened of everyone? I don't know...

No I'm profoundly clever.

Yes, but I forgive you for leaving your bragging spoor in public
again and again. And since you didn't deny being ugly and frightened,
I won't mention it further, as it would be un-Christian.

I would never have put my photos or private
info on display around the town I was born in, the city I now live in
- yet people do that routinely with FB and gurgle. Now while the
Russians, Zuk, Assange, the data banks in MI6 and NSA and all the
others have your information, they do not have mine. Don't you get
it, you old fool? You've been an idiot.

Although the Bible clearly states you're in danger of hellfire,
I still forgive you thang. He is risen! Joy to the world!

You have a
lot from that LinkdIn photo to your FB page and probably instagram and
who knows what more. You are so damn gullible and naive - why do you
NEED to put all that shit, your conquests, where you've been all that
crap, on public view? What drives you to that? Some inner
inadequacy? Some lack of internal balance?

Well, obviously it's the internal instinctive evolutionary
drive to leave my 'spoor' everywhere. :)

Those who in an evolutionary sense left their spoor everywhere were
eaten by the carnivores whose expertise and forte in being top line
predators was *tracking* spoor. Yet, here you are now, leaving spoor.
Fool.

Even grunts in your army are trained to spade over wheel and
caterpillar/tank tracks so that the enemy can't spot the weapons from
the air, or track them from the ground.

No really, I mainly just think it's fun. And useful.
"There is no harm in repeating a good thing." -Plato

I have no tracks. I haven't voted here in two decades. This posting
account is not in my name. I don't appear on our electoral roll, nor
in any other records, federal or state. That is just the fucking way
I like it.

Okay. Enjoy. I have a way I like too.

Yep. Showing the world where you've been, how good a worker you are,
how productive you have been, how good your children are, who you
associate with, how happy you are, how settled and pleased and
satisfied you are. Why the need to do all this? Can't you just be
happy in yourself without needing to suck appreciation from others?

Can't you be happy thinking all your ugly, derogatory thoughts
about everyone without always posting them in public - always
trying to show the world how superior you think you are?
Can't you just be a huge asshole without needing to prove it
to everyone constantly? :) See, I leave good spoor while you
leave giant anonymous piles of shit everywhere you go.
You're always saying, "hey, look at me buddy, you don't even
know who I am, yet here I am shitting all over you every day! :)
Now that's pride.

What would Jesus do, thang? Would he want everyone knowing all
about his life and message just so they could come and crucify him?
Would he do that? :)

Each to their own.

"Justice means minding one's own business
and not meddling with other men's concerns." -Plato

I am in full control of my fate.

No, you're not. No one is.
"You have power over your mind - not outside events." - Marcus Aurelius

That's the point I was making which as usual, you skim over or don't
even perceive in the first place. Too bad.

Well, sorry to thwart your life ambition of trying to make
a point with me - but unfortunately, you haven't.
You obsess over things that don't matter so very much.
Just my opinion. :)

Ah, you *do* agree with me, I can tell. No point hiding it. And how
could you not?

I'm making progress with you...

Yes. To you this is the look and feel of 'progress'. Don't I know it.
And yet I forgive you. Joy to you on this blessed day! :)

"If it is not right do not do it;
if it is not true do not say it." -Marcus Aurelius

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Ol' Bo Diddley, spreading his 'spoor' in public: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJj22Z006ec

I realize now that those Russians knew all about Bo Diddley
for years and years as he pranced in front of thousands night

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Washington Post
The Fix Analysis

A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump
the 2016 election:
http://tinyurl.com/yaof73rd

By Aaron Blake April 3

President Trump has said repeatedly that Russian interference didn't matter in the 2016 presidential campaign, and he has suggested — wrongly — that the intelligence and law enforcement communities have said the same. His overriding
fear seems to be
that Russian interference and the “fake news” it promoted would undermine the legitimacy of his election win.

Trump won't like this new study one bit.

The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake
news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama's 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.

Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study's authors, inserted
three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of whom didn't
vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent
voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).

Here are the false stories, along with the percentages of Obama supporters who believed they were at least “probably” true (in parenthesis):

Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness” (12 percent)

Pope Francis endorsed Trump (8 percent)

Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS” (20 percent)

Overall about one-quarter of 2012 Obama voters believed at least one of these stories, and of that group 45 percent voted for Clinton. Of those who believed none of the fake news stories, 89 percent voted for Clinton.

This alone does not prove that fake news made a difference, of course. A recent
Princeton-led study of fake news consumption during the 2016 campaign found that false articles made up 2.6 percent of all hard-news articles late in the 2016 campaign, with
the stories most often reaching intense partisans who probably were not persuadable. And it wouldn't be surprising if Obama voters who weren't reliable
Democratic supporters were more apt to believe fake news stories that affirmed their decision not to
vote for Clinton.

So the researchers sought to control for other factors such as gender, race, age, education, political leaning and even personal feelings about Clinton and Trump using multiple regression analysis, a method to measure the relative impact of multiple
independent variables. According to the researchers, all of these factors combined to explain 38 percent of the defection of Obama voters from Clinton, but belief in fake news explained an additional 11 percent.

For those defecting from Clinton, believing fake news had a greater effect than
anything except being a Republican or personally disliking Clinton. Obama voters who believed one of these fake news stories “were 3.9 times more likely to defect from the
Democratic ticket in 2016 than those who believed none of these false claims, after taking into account all of these other factors,” the researchers write.

“We cannot prove that belief in fake news caused these former Obama voters to
defect from the Democratic candidate in 2016,” they write. “These data strongly suggest, however, that exposure to fake news did have a significant impact on voting
decisions.”

Exactly how that translates into raw votes and whether it swung the election is
the big question — and the one that seems to preoccupy Trump. It's difficult to know how fake news played specifically in the three states that delivered him the presidency:
Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. But the fact that Clinton lost each of these divisive states by less than one percentage point means that even a slight impact by Russia and/or fake news — or even then-FBI Director James B.
Comey's announcement
about Clinton's emails or some other factor — could logically have changed the result.

But we can use this study to glean clues and even rerun a hypothetical 2016 election. The Washington Post's polling director, Scott Clement, ran a predictive probability analysis using the OSU team's data and compared the existing 2016 election to a
hypothetical election in which these fake news stories didn't exist. The result: Clinton lost 4.2 percent more of Obama's votes in the race with fake news vs. the hypothetical race without it.

If we multiply that 4.2 percent drop-off by Obama's 2012 vote share in the three key states that delivered the presidency to Trump, it suggests that fake news cost Clinton about 2.2 or 2.3 points apiece in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And
Clinton lost Michigan by just 0.2 points and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by 0.72
and 0.76 points, respectively.

These are rough estimates, to be clear. But notably, Clinton's estimated drop-off in each state would be about three times bigger — or more — than the study's impact of fake news. That would mean that, for fake news not to have made the difference (
according to these data), Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin would have had to be uniquely impervious to the effects of fake news, compared with the rest of the country.

The survey also notably doesn't measure what effect fake news might have had on
increasing Trump's support, instead only focusing on how it depressed Clinton's. That could increase the shift. But even with this limited purview, it suggests it made a
significant difference.

And it suggests it may well have cost Clinton the presidency.

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Let the Trump tantrums begin, er... I mean, continue. :)

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Trump now says he wants the military to guard the Mexican border -
but he really doesn't have any particularly good reason to do that. http://tinyurl.com/ya2o7yad

Excerpts:
"That's a big step," Trump continued, "we really haven't done that before, or certainly not very much before."

However, the move actually has many precedents. Every president since Ronald Reagan has called on the National Guard for limited, temporary missions along the frontier...

[Note: temporary missions. So what do you suppose bonehead wants?
a permanent huge force stationed all along the border? LOL. :) ]

The troops have been used primarily for surveillance and other support activities. Troops are forbidden from conducting civilian police actions, such as detaining suspects and using force, under a law first signed by President Rutherford B. Hayes in 1878.
..

In 1986, Reagan declared drug smuggling a national security threat and launched
a multi-pronged approach that included the National Guard, as well as several law enforcement bodies. He also signed a bill that provided amnesty for 3 million migrants who
entered the U.S. illegally.

His successors, including George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, have all called in
the troops.

George W. Bush deployed some 6,000 National Guard troops in 2006 for what proved to be a two-year mission, assisting the border guards with both undocumented immigrants and drug smuggling.

Barack Obama ordered a similar, if somewhat smaller operation, in 2010. Around 1,200 National Guard troops were called up initially. By 2012, the numbers on the ground were scaled back and a greater emphasis was placed on aerial surveillance...

[Note: often aerial surveillance is more effective.]

After rising for decades, illegal immigration dropped after the 2008 recession that resulted in a sharp decline in economic opportunities.

In addition, the Obama administration deported more than 2 million undocumented
migrants, more than any other president. The Obama administration focused primarily on convicted criminals and those apprehended shortly after coming across the border.

[Note: Obama's policy was reasonable and fairly effective.]

Illegal immigration took another downturn when Trump assumed office last year with his promise to crack down on illegal immigration and build a border wall...

The Mexican ambassador to the U.S., Geronimo Gutierrez, said his government has
asked for clarification from the Trump administration.

"It's certainly not something that the Mexican government welcomes," he told CNN.

***

Trump seems confused about DACA:
http://tinyurl.com/y9a6wx73

Part of one of Trump's recent Twitter tantrums:
"@realDonaldTrump
These big flows of people are all trying to take advantage of DACA.
They want in on the act!"

Vox provides some facts:
"Trump is getting this totally wrong. No one coming into the US could qualify for DACA now. For one thing, immigrants only qualified for DACA if they’d been in the US as of June 2007. Furthermore, the program stopped accepting new applications in
September 2017...

DACA isn’t officially dead. The Trump administration is facing a lawsuit over
its attempt to end the program, and as part of that case, federal courts have ordered the administration to keep allowing currently protected immigrants to renew their two-
year work permits. That’s unlikely to change for several more months, and nothing Trump tweets is going to affect it...

But ultimately, it’s likely that the courts will allow the Trump administration to stop granting renewals for current DACA recipients, just as they’ve been allowed to stop granting new work permits. That’s why supporters of DREAMers in Congress
have been pushing for months for Congress to pass a bill that would allow DACA recipients to apply for some form of permanent legal status.

For a while, Trump appeared to support something like that. But over the past few months, he has killed multiple DACA “deals” because they don’t satisfy some other portion of his ambitious immigration agenda.

Congress isn’t interested in working on immigration bills that Trump won’t sign, and many of them have lost faith that they can design a bill that Trump will sign — because they don’t trust him to stay consistent about what he wants. That was
true before Trump’s tweets. But his official declaration that he no longer wants a DACA “deal” seems to confirm it...

The president has come to the conclusion that only way to pass his agenda is for the Senate to get rid of the filibuster, thus allowing bills to pass with 50 votes instead of 60. This is called the “nuclear option.” And on Monday,
Trump said it was
the only way to get “Border Legislation” passed...

Senate Republicans don’t appear to be terribly enthusiastic about getting rid
of the filibuster — they understand that it’s an important tool for the minority party to have, and they understand that no party holds a Senate majority forever. But
even if they did decide to get rid of the filibuster, it’s not exactly clear that Trump would be able to get the immigration bills he wants.

While Trump’s tweets referred to “Border Legislation,” the administration’s actual demands to Congress have never stopped at the border — they want to ramp up immigration enforcement in the interior of the US as well, and, most controversially,
they want massive cuts to future legal immigration. Legal immigration cuts aren’t just opposed by Democrats — many Republicans think the current legal
immigration system is fine, and many more would like to reduce (for example) family-based
immigration in order to expand immigration of high-skilled workers.

[Note: they want massive cuts to *legal* immigration as well.]

When the Senate took up Trump’s preferred immigration bill in March, it didn’t just fail to get the 60 votes needed to break the filibuster — it failed to get the 50 votes it would have needed under the “nuclear option.”
In fact, 60 senators
voted against the bill; only 39 voted for it.

[Note: Trump's preferred bill was soundly defeated, 60-39.]

Under the nuclear option, the Senate would have passed one immigration bill this year — a last-minute bipartisan compromise that Trump and the White House were fervently opposed to and threatened to veto.

Trump’s temper tantrum might inspire DHS to intensify its existing crackdown on asylum seekers. But Trump can’t persuade Congress that he’s a reliable negotiating partner on immigration with tweets that demonstrate he’s confused
about the policy
and willing to change his mind about whether he wants a deal at the drop of a hat."

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My summary of the whole DACA thing:

First Trump killed the DACA agreement. (And his administration is
being sued over that.) Then he tried to use DACA's corpse as a
bargaining chip to get his stupid multi-billion $ wall that also
has not been approved by Congress. When this attempt at arm-twisting
failed, as usual, he had a tantrum and irrationally blamed everyone
else for it. But HE worsened the problem, and thus he is now
responsible for most of the misery that ends up coming out of it.

For some immigrants, deportation means death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW7NM7SnV7Y

The threat of deportation also results in many people failing to
get protections under the law (because they're afraid to appeal
to the law and thus basically have to do without its protection).
It also makes people more subject to illegal pressure and extortion.

(That video only has about 8000 views. Maybe no one gives a shit
except the people with all the bad ideas and the many immigrants
experiencing awful problems because of it.)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Trump and the Republican Congress have been trying to destroy the
health care program the Obama administration created (the ACA)
ever since coming into power. So... why haven't they succeeded?

Paul Krugman explains exactly why they've failed to destroy the ACA.

[But right off, let's note and remember the odd situation that about
all the Republicans really ever try to do is to *destroy something*,
rather than to ever build anything we really need.]

***

Obamacare’s Very Stable Genius

Front pages continue, understandably, to be dominated by the roughly 130,000 scandals currently afflicting the Trump administration. But polls suggest that the reek of corruption, intense as it is, isn’t likely to dominate the midterm elections. The
biggest issue on voters’ minds appears, instead, to be health care.

And you know what? Voters are right. If Republicans retain control of both houses of Congress, we can safely predict that they’ll make another try at repealing Obamacare, taking health insurance away from 25 million or 30 million
Americans. Why?
Because their attempts to sabotage the program keep falling short, and time is running out.

I’m not saying that sabotage has been a complete failure. The Trump administration has succeeded in driving insurance premiums sharply higher — and yes, I mean “succeeded,” because that was definitely the goal.

Enrollment on the Affordable Care Act’s insurance exchanges has also declined
since 2016 — with almost all the decline taking place in Trump administration-run exchanges, rather than those run by states — and the overall number of Americans without
health insurance, after declining dramatically under Obama, has risen again.

[Yay! The number of Americans without health insurance has risen again!
Is that called Republicans succeeding at something? :) Oh, just barely... ]

But what Republicans were hoping and planning for was a “death spiral” of declining enrollment and soaring costs. And while constant claims that such a death spiral is underway have had their effect — a majority of the public believes that the
exchanges are collapsing — it isn’t. In fact, the program has been remarkably stable when you bear in mind that it’s being administered by people trying to make it fail.

What’s the secret of Obamacare’s stability? The answer, although nobody will believe it, is that the people who designed the program were extremely smart. Political reality forced them to build a Rube Goldberg device, a complex
scheme to achieve
basically simple goals; every progressive health expert I know would have been happy to extend Medicare to everyone, but that just wasn’t going to happen. But they did manage to create a system that’s pretty robust to shocks, including the shock of a
White House that wants to destroy it.

Originally, Obamacare was supposed to rest on a “three-legged stool.” Private insurers were barred from discriminating based on pre-existing conditions; individuals were required to buy insurance meeting minimum standards — the “individual
mandate” — even if they were currently healthy; and subsidies were provided
to make insurance affordable.

Republicans have, however, done their best to saw off one of those legs; even before they repealed the mandate, they drastically reduced outreach efforts in an attempt to discourage healthy Americans from enrolling.

The result has been that the population actually signing up for coverage is both smaller and sicker than it would otherwise have been, forcing insurers to charge higher premiums.

But that’s where the subsidies come in.

Under the A.C.A., the poorest Americans are covered by Medicaid, so private premiums don’t matter. Meanwhile, many of those with higher incomes — up to
400 percent of the poverty line, or more than $95,000 for a family of four — are eligible for
subsidies. That’s 59 percent of the population, but because many of those with higher incomes get insurance through their employers, it’s 83 percent of
those signing up on the exchanges. And here’s the thing: Those subsidies aren’t fixed. Instead,
the formula sets the subsidy high enough to put a limit on how high premium payments can go as a percentage of income.

What this means is that of the 27 million Americans who have either gained coverage through the Medicaid expansion or purchased insurance on the exchanges, only about two million are exposed to those Trump-engineered premium
hikes. That’s still a lot
of people, but it’s not enough to get a death spiral going. In fact, for complicated reasons (“silver-loading” — don’t ask), after-subsidy premiums have actually gone down for many people.

And that leaves the G.O.P. very, very frustrated.

From the beginning, Republicans hated Obamacare not because they expected it to
fail, but because they feared that it would succeed, and thereby demonstrate that government actually can do things to make people’s lives better. And their nightmare is
gradually coming true: Although it took a long time, the Affordable Care Act is
finally becoming popular, and the public’s concern that the G.O.P. will kill it is becoming an important political liability.

What this says to me is that if Republicans manage to hold on to Congress, they
will make another all-out push to destroy the act — because they’ll know that it’s probably their last chance. Indeed, if they don’t kill Obamacare soon, the next
step will probably be an enhanced program that lets Americans of all ages buy into Medicare.

[That would be cool.]

So voters are right to believe that health care is very much an issue in the midterm elections. It may not be the most important thing at stake — there’s a good case to be made that the survival of American democracy is on the line. But it’s a very
big deal.

[If the Dems do not win either the House or the Senate at midterms,
there's a good chance American democracy is hosed. If they win back
BOTH the House and the Senate, then there's a good chance to get
the whole thing turned around again without too terrible a disaster.]

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Robert Reich gives a good example of how "trickle down" economics
really works, in a 2 1/2 minute video on the Pharmaceutical industry.

Facebook video:
http://tinyurl.com/y9exwvfu

"Pharmaceutical companies are using their savings from Trump's
corporate tax cut to buy back shares of their own stock --
enriching executives and wealthy investors as prescription
drug prices continue to skyrocket. It's an example of trickle-down
economics at its worst."

***

Meanwhile, we're now being governed by a president who is
heavily influenced by a really crappy TV program.

***

The Horror of Being Governed by ‘Fox & Friends’, by Charles Blow http://tinyurl.com/y994bqzm

April 8, 2018

During the early days of the Obama administration, I did a few appearances on “Fox & Friends.”

The conversations were predictably shallow, tilted and exploitive. The hosts had a particular knack for asking the idiotic with chipper earnestness, spewing
venom through simpering smiles. There was, I felt, maleficence at work with a pretense of
positivity.

I knew well that I was swimming in a shallow intellectual pool, and yet I told myself that I was doing yeoman’s work, doing my small part to try and correct
misinformation and to reach those lost in Fox’s fog.

But I soon discovered that the show, and indeed the network, was beyond redemption.

I was simply being used to help give the show the appearance of fairness, impartiality and legitimacy, when it was anything but.

Appearing on Fox, I became part of the disinformation machine rather than hobbling it. So, I cut ties, stopped responding to their requests and stopped the appearances.

I never saw the show as anything more than a carnival, a propaganda tool for conservatives. I would never have thought that the show’s hosts would emerge as the most influential in American media, as the website Mediaite dubbed them.

This show, with its kindergarten-level intellectual capacity, moved from parroting conservative policies to constructing presidential priorities. “Fox
& Friends” has essentially become Donald Trump’s daily briefing.

Countless media outlets have written and talked about the strangely intense connection between Trump and the show.

As The Guardian put it, “The show manages to serve as a court sycophant, whispering in the ear of the king, criticizing his perceived enemies and fluffing his feathers.”

Politico Magazine concurred, saying the show “feels intentionally designed for Trump himself — a three-hour, high-definition ego fix.”

And the impact that the show is having on Trump is undeniable. Dan Snow, a master’s student at the University of Chicago, analyzed the president’s tweets and found that they are highly concentrated in the hours when the show is on.

As Politico wrote, Trump is “live-tweeting” Fox’s coverage. Vox noted that at times he seems to be tweeting precisely what he sees on the show, sometimes even using their exact language.

Indeed, a February analysis by The Washington Post found that of all the things
that Trump has tweeted about since his inauguration, “Fox & Friends” ranked
third, behind only Obama and tax cuts.

In fact, Trump had tweeted about the show roughly twice as often as about the stock market and roughly three times more often than about the border wall.

Trump’s Fox fixation isn’t benign or inconsequential — because, like him,
the network has an aversion to the truth.

According to PunditFact, a project of the Tampa Bay Times and The Poynter Institute that checks the accuracy of claims made by pundits, of the statements
on Fox that have been fact-checked, only 10 percent were rated true, while a full 60 percent were
rated either mostly false, false or “pants on fire,” the worst possible rating.

The site did not do a separate analysis confined to “Fox & Friends,” but it
has done three fact checks each on two of the show’s co-hosts: Brian Kilmeade
and Steve Doocy.

In both cases, two statements were rated false and one rated “pants on fire.”

But these fact checks don’t even paint the full picture of how problematic this show is. Kilmeade once said on the show that “the Swedes have pure genes
because they marry other Swedes,” and of Finland he said, “Finns marry other Finns so they
have a pure society,” which was apparently better than America because, “We
keep marrying other species and other ethnics.”

The intellectual giant who is Doocy once attacked SpongeBob for pushing a “global warming agenda.” He was accused in a lawsuit by former co-host Gretchen Carlson of engaging in a “pattern and practice of severe and pervasive sexual harassment of
Carlson” in part by “refusing to accept and treat her as an intelligent and
insightful female journalist rather than a blond female prop.”

This would all be silly trifle if in January the show didn’t mark its 195th month as the number one morning cable news program and if the president of the United States wasn’t taking cues from it.

In a way, America is being governed by the dimmest of wits on the most unscrupulous of networks. The very thought of it is horror-inducing.

I invite you to join me on Facebook and follow me on Twitter (@CharlesMBlow), or email me at chblow@nytimes.com.

***

A large percentage of Americans don't even want to live in reality
and don't even want to know the truth about anything. They want to
watch TV programs that make them feel good about their childish
beliefs, even if it's total bullshit. Just like our president...

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Big surprise: the Boy Scout tells the truth,
and we all know who the liar is. Big surprise.

Handwritten notes appear to back Comey claims on Trump http://tinyurl.com/y9jxtfxr

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New York Times Editorial

The Law Is Coming, Mr. Trump

The editorial board represents the opinions of the board, its editor and the publisher. It is separate from the newsroom and the Op-Ed section.

April 10, 2018

Why don’t we take a step back and contemplate what Americans, and the world, are witnessing?

Early Monday morning, F.B.I. agents raided the New York office, home and hotel room of the personal lawyer for the president of the United States. They seized
evidence of possible federal crimes — including bank fraud, wire fraud and campaign finance
violations related to payoffs made to women, including a porn actress, who say they had affairs with the president before he took office and were paid off and
intimidated into silence.

That evening the president surrounded himself with the top American military officials and launched unbidden into a tirade against the top American law enforcement officials — officials of his own government — accusing them of “an attack on our
country.”

Oh, also: The Times reported Monday evening that investigators were examining a
$150,000 donation to the president’s personal foundation from a Ukrainian steel magnate, given during the American presidential campaign in exchange for a 20-minute video
appearance.

Meanwhile, the president’s former campaign chairman is under indictment, and his former national security adviser has pleaded guilty to lying to investigators. His son-in-law and other associates are also under investigation.

This is your president, ladies and gentlemen. This is how Donald Trump does business, and these are the kinds of people he surrounds himself with.

Mr. Trump has spent his career in the company of developers and celebrities, and also of grifters, cons, sharks, goons and crooks. He cuts corners, he lies,
he cheats, he brags about it, and for the most part, he’s gotten away with it, protected by
threats of litigation, hush money and his own bravado. Those methods may be proving to have their limits when they are applied from the Oval Office. Though
Republican leaders in Congress still keep a cowardly silence, Mr. Trump now has
real reason to be
afraid. A raid on a lawyer’s office doesn’t happen every day; it means that
multiple government officials, and a federal judge, had reason to believe they’d find evidence of a crime there and that they didn’t trust the lawyer
not to destroy that
evidence.

On Monday, when he appeared with his national security team, Mr. Trump, whose motto could be, “The buck stops anywhere but here,” angrily blamed everyone
he could think of for the “unfairness” of an investigation that has already
consumed the
first year of his presidency, yet is only now starting to heat up. He said Attorney General Jeff Sessions made “a very terrible mistake” by recusing himself from overseeing the investigation — the implication being that a more
loyal attorney
general would have obstructed justice and blocked the investigation. He complained about the “horrible things” that Hillary Clinton did “and all of the crimes that were committed.” He called the A-team of investigators from the office of the
special counsel, Robert Mueller, “the most biased group of people.” As for Mr. Mueller himself, “we’ll see what happens,” Mr. Trump said. “Many people have said, ‘You should fire him.’”

In fact, the raids on the premises used by Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen,
were conducted by the public corruption unit of the federal attorney’s office
in Manhattan, and at the request not of the special counsel’s team, but under
a search
warrant that investigators in New York obtained following a referral by Mr. Mueller, who first consulted with the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein. To sum up, a Republican-appointed former F.B.I. director consulted with a Republican-appointed
deputy attorney general, who then authorized a referral to an F.B.I. field office not known for its anti-Trump bias. Deep state, indeed.

Mr. Trump also railed against the authorities who, he said, “broke into” Mr. Cohen’s office. “Attorney-client privilege is dead!” the president tweeted early Tuesday morning, during what was presumably his executive time. He was wrong. The
privilege is one of the most sacrosanct in the American legal system, but it does not protect communications in furtherance of a crime. Anyway, one might ask, if this is all a big witch hunt and Mr. Trump has nothing illegal or untoward to hide, why does
he care about the privilege in the first place?

The answer, of course, is that he has a lot to hide.

This wasn’t even the first early-morning raid of a close Trump associate. That distinction goes to Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman and Russian oligarch-whisperer, who now faces a slate of federal charges long enough to land him in
prison for the rest of his life. And what of Mr. Cohen? He’s already been cut
loose by his law firm, and when the charges start rolling in, he’ll likely get the same treatment from Mr. Trump.

Among the grotesqueries that faded into the background of Mr. Trump’s carnival of misgovernment during the past 24 hours was that Monday’s meeting was ostensibly called to discuss a matter of global significance: a reported chemical weapons attack on
Syrian civilians. Mr. Trump instead made it about him, with his narcissistic and self-pitying claim that the investigation represented an attack on the country “in a true sense.”

No, Mr. Trump — a true attack on America is what happened on, say, Sept. 11, 2001. Remember that one? Thousands of people lost their lives. Your response was to point out that the fall of the twin towers meant your building was now the tallest in
downtown Manhattan. Of course, that also wasn’t true.

***

Repeating this part since it really does sum it up nicely:

"To sum up, a Republican-appointed former F.B.I. director consulted
with a Republican-appointed deputy attorney general, who then
authorized a referral to an F.B.I. field office not known for
its anti-Trump bias. Deep state, indeed."

Deep State?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nmro3haxcfb2e1/DeepState.jpg?dl=0

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Trump pulled out of the TPP after being elected.
Now he wants back in... but it won't be easy.
Trump once called it the "rape of our country",
and in his campaign he promised to trash it.

The original terms of the TPP were negotiated by
the Obama administration and if we go back in now
after rejecting it, our deal will likely be worse,
not better.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

Michael Cohen and the End Stage of the Trump Presidency

By Adam Davidson
April 14, 2018

The raid on the offices of President Trump’s personal lawyer makes clear that
Trump’s battle with the special counsel, Robert Mueller, is entering its final chapter.

On May 1, 2003, the day President George W. Bush landed on the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln in front of the massive “Mission Accomplished” sign, I was in Baghdad performing what had become a daily ritual. I went to a gate on the side
of the Republican
Palace, in the Green Zone, where an American soldier was receiving, one by one,
a long line of Iraqis who came with questions and complaints. I remember a man complaining that his house had been run over by a tank. There was a woman who had been a
government employee and wanted to know about her salary. The soldier had a form
he was supposed to fill out with each person’s request and that person’s contact information. I stood there as the man talked to each person and, each time, said, “
Phone number?” And each person would answer some version of “The phone system of Iraq has been destroyed and doesn’t work.” Then the soldier would
turn to the next person, write down the person’s question or complaint, and then ask, “Phone
number?”

I arrived in Baghdad on April 12th of that year, a few days after Saddam’s statue at Firdos Square had been destroyed. There were a couple of weeks of uncertainty as reporters and Iraqis tried to gauge who was in charge of the country and what the
general plan was. There was no electricity, no police, no phones, no courts, no
schools. More than half of Iraqis worked for the government, and there was no government, no Army, and so no salaries for most of the country. At first, it seemed possible
that the Americans simply needed a bit of time to communicate the new rules. By
the end of April, though, it was clear: there was no plan, no new order. Iraq was anarchic.

We journalists were able to use generators and satellite dishes to access outside information, and what we saw was absurd. Americans seemed convinced things were going well in Iraq. The war—and the President who launched it—were seen favorably by
seventy per cent of Americans. Then came these pictures of a President touting “Mission Accomplished”—the choice of words that President Trump used in a
tweet on Saturday, the morning after he ordered an air strike on Syria. On the ground, we were
not prophets or political geniuses. We were sentient adults who were able to see the clear, obvious truth in front of us. The path of Iraq would be decided by those who thrived in chaos.

I had a similar feeling in December, 2007. I came late to the financial crisis.
I had spent much of 2006 and 2007 naïvely swatting away warnings from my friends and sources who told me of impending disaster. Finally, I decided to take a deep look at
collateralized debt obligations, or C.D.O.s, those financial instruments that would soon be known as toxic assets. I read technical books, talked to countless experts, and soon learned that these were, in Warren Buffett’s famous phrase, weapons of
financial mass destruction. They were engineered in such a way that they could exponentially increase profits but would, also, exponentially increase losses. Worse, they were too complex to be fully understood. It was impossible, even with all the
information, to figure out what they were worth once they began to fail. Because these C.D.O.s had come to form the core value of most major banks’ assets, no major bank had clear value. With that understanding, the path was clear. Eventually, people
would realize that the essential structure of our financial system was about to
implode. Yet many political figures and TV pundits were happily touting the end
of a crisis. (Larry Kudlow, now Trump’s chief economic adviser, led the charge of ignorance.)

[Let's hear that one more time, shall we: Larry Kudlow, now Trump's
chief economic adviser, led the charge of ignorance.]

In Iraq and with the financial crisis, it was helpful, as a reporter, to be able to divide the world into those who actually understand what was happening and those who said hopeful nonsense. The path of both crises turned out to be far worse than I had
imagined.

I thought of those earlier experiences this week as I began to feel a familiar clarity about what will unfold next in the Trump Presidency. There are lots of details and surprises to come, but the endgame of this Presidency seems as clear now as those of
Iraq and the financial crisis did months before they unfolded. Last week, federal investigators raided the offices of Michael Cohen, the man who has been
closer than anybody to Trump’s most problematic business and personal relationships. This week, we
learned that Cohen has been under criminal investigation for months—his e-mails have been read, presumably his phones have been tapped, and his meetings have been monitored. Trump has long declared a red line: Robert Mueller must not investigate his
businesses, and must only look at any possible collusion with Russia. That red line is now crossed and, for Trump, in the most troubling of ways. Even if he were to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and then had Mueller and his investigation
put on ice, and even if—as is disturbingly possible—Congress did nothing, the Cohen prosecution would continue. Even if Trump pardons Cohen, the information the Feds have on him can become the basis for charges against others in the Trump
Organization.

This is the week we know, with increasing certainty, that we are entering the last phase of the Trump Presidency. This doesn’t feel like a prophecy; it feels like a simple statement of the apparent truth. I know dozens of reporters
and other
investigators who have studied Donald Trump and his business and political ties. Some have been skeptical of the idea that President Trump himself knowingly colluded with Russian officials. It seems not at all Trumpian to participate in a complex plan
with a long-term, uncertain payoff. Collusion is an imprecise word, but it does
seem close to certain that his son Donald, Jr., and several people who worked for him colluded with people close to the Kremlin; it is up to prosecutors and then the courts
to figure out if this was illegal or merely deceitful. We may have a hard time finding out what President Trump himself knew and approved.

However, I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality. In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary
Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “knee-deep in dirty politics”;
there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home,
Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously. His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering
violations.

Listing all the financial misconduct can be overwhelming and tedious. I have limited myself to some of the deals over the past decade, thus ignoring Trump’s long history of links to New York Mafia figures and other financial irregularities. It has
become commonplace to say that enough was known about Trump’s shady business before he was elected; his followers voted for him precisely because they liked
that he was someone willing to do whatever it takes to succeed, and they also believe that all
rich businesspeople have to do shady things from time to time. In this way of thinking, any new information about his corrupt past has no political salience.
Those who hate Trump already think he’s a crook; those who love him don’t care.

I believe this assessment is wrong. Sure, many people have a vague sense of Trump’s shadiness, but once the full details are better known and digested, a
fundamentally different narrative about Trump will become commonplace. Remember: we knew a lot
about problems in Iraq in May, 2003. Americans saw TV footage of looting and heard reports of U.S. forces struggling to gain control of the entire country. We had plenty of reporting, throughout 2007, about various minor financial problems. Somehow,
though, these specific details failed to impress upon most Americans the over-all picture. It took a long time for the nation to accept that these were not minor aberrations but, rather, signs of fundamental crisis. Sadly, things had to get much worse
before Americans came to see that our occupation of Iraq was disastrous and, a few years later, that our financial system was in tatters.

The narrative that will become widely understood is that Donald Trump did not sit atop a global empire. He was not an intuitive genius and tough guy who created billions of dollars of wealth through fearlessness. He had a small, sad
operation, mostly run
by his two oldest children and Michael Cohen, a lousy lawyer who barely keeps up the pretenses of lawyering and who now faces an avalanche of charges, from taxicab-backed bank fraud to money laundering and campaign-finance violations.

Cohen, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka monetized their willingness to sign contracts with people rejected by all sensible partners. Even in this, the Trump Organization left money on the table, taking a million dollars here, five million there, even though the
service they provided—giving branding legitimacy to blatantly sketchy projects—was worth far more. It was not a company that built value over decades, accumulating assets and leveraging wealth. It burned through whatever good will and brand value it
established as quickly as possible, then moved on to the next scheme.

There are important legal questions that remain. How much did Donald Trump and his children know about the criminality of their partners? How explicit were they in agreeing to put a shiny gold brand on top of corrupt deals? The answers
to these questions
will play a role in determining whether they go to jail and, if so, for how long.

There is no longer one major investigation into Donald Trump, focussed solely on collusion with Russia. There are now at least two, including a thorough review of Cohen’s correspondence. The information in his office and hotel room will likely make
clear precisely how much the Trump family knew. What we already know is disturbing, and it is hard to imagine that the information prosecutors will soon learn will do anything but worsen the picture.

Of course Trump is raging and furious and terrified. Prosecutors are now looking at his core. Cohen was the key intermediary between the Trump family and its partners around the world; he was chief consigliere and dealmaker throughout its period of
expansion into global partnerships with sketchy oligarchs. He wasn’t a slick politico who showed up for a few months. He knows everything, he recorded much of it, and now prosecutors will know it, too. It seems inevitable that much will be made public.
We don’t know when. We don’t know the precise path the next few months will
take. There will be resistance and denial and counterattacks. But it seems likely that, when we look back on this week, we will see it as a turning point.
We are now in the
end stages of the Trump Presidency.

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From: jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com

Barbara Bush, who recently died at 92,
speaking of Trump:

“He’s said terrible things about women,
terrible things about the military...”
I don’t understand why people are for him.”

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From: slider@anashram.org

On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 02:34:16 +0100, Jeremy H. Donovan <jeremyhdonovan@gmail.com> wrote:

Barbara Bush, who recently died at 92,
speaking of Trump:

“He’s said terrible things about women,
terrible things about the military...”
I don’t understand why people are for him.”

### - can't understand either how a majority of struggling + ordinary poor peeps in the uk could EVER vote for right-wing david cameron as it DEFO
wasn't in their interests to do so?? yet they did, mainly by being
continually exposed to a negative publicity campaign regarding left wing
leader dave miliband that nibbled away his reputation; and which is
precisely what's currently happening to jeremy corbyn too...

the problem being that the poor are ostensibly uneducated in these
matters, and the wealthy right wing 'owns' the fucking media! so it's a no-brainer really...

the well-off can simply 'buy' their way into power whenever they want!

(so much for 'democracy' then huh...)

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

So I wonder... is Trump on stimulants?

Before the election, one of my friends observed that Trump often
seemed to him to act like someone on amphetamines, and he actually
found quotes from credible sources claiming that for years Trump
had been on "a diet drug called phentermine".

Well, just recently, we've been given further reason to suspect
that Trump could very well be taking other stimulants.

CNN
Sen. Tester: VA nominee handed out prescriptions 'like candy' https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/24/politics ... index.html

Quote from the video linked above:

Anderson Cooper: "The wake-up drugs you're talking about are...
something like Provigil?"

Sen. Tester: "That's correct."

***

Provigil (aka Modafinil) has been used in military operations as a
substitute for amphetamines.

Wiki - Provigil:

"A wakefulness-promoting drug used for treatment of disorders such as narcolepsy, shift work sleep disorder, idiopathic hypersomnia, and excessive daytime sleepiness associated with obstructive sleep apnea. It has also seen widespread off-label use as a
purported cognitive enhancer. In the United States modafinil is classified as a
schedule IV controlled substance and restricted in availability and usage, due to concerns about possible addiction potential."

Since Ronny Jackson was also Trump's personal physician...
perhaps my friend was right and Trump still is on stimulants?

***

Looks like the Republicans finally won a special election, in Arizona.
(They'd lost a bunch of them in a row until this one.)

However, while Debbie Lesko did win, she only did so while receiving
over $1 million in 'outside money' from big Republican donors who were
worried about maybe losing. She received aggressive help from several
major Republican figures like Trump himself, and Paul Ryan, and the RNC,
and Kevin McCarthy, the majority leader. In spite of all the help,
Lesko only won by 5 points in this district Trump had won by 20 points
in 2016 and which has elected only Republicans for 4 decades. In fact,
in the two previous elections, Dems didn't even put up a candidate,
because they didn't think they even had a chance.

Although the Dem's candidate had some serious publicized problems,
they still only lost this election by 5 points. :)

Republican Senator Jeff Flake commented:
"It's a warning shot. Anything below a 10-point margin is not good news."

So that bitch was close, and the Republicans really ought to be
shitting bricks. It further illustrates just how much the anti-Trump
energy on the left is putting Republicans on the defensive all over
the country.

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 5:34:43 PM UTC-7, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

DACA isn’t officially dead. The Trump administration is facing a lawsuit

over its attempt to end the program, and as part of that case, federal courts have ordered the administration to keep allowing currently protected immigrants
to renew their two-
year work permits. That’s unlikely to change for several more months, and nothing Trump tweets is going to affect it...
...

My summary of the whole DACA thing:

First Trump killed the DACA agreement. (And his administration is
being sued over that.) Then he tried to use DACA's corpse as a
bargaining chip to get his stupid multi-billion $ wall that also
has not been approved by Congress. When this attempt at arm-twisting
failed, as usual, he had a tantrum and irrationally blamed everyone
else for it. But HE worsened the problem, and thus he is now
responsible for most of the misery that ends up coming out of it.

U.S. Must Keep DACA and Accept New Applications, Federal Judge Rules

By Miriam Jordan
April 24, 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/us/daca-dreamers-trump.html

In the biggest setback yet for the Trump administration in its attempt to end a
program that shields some undocumented young adults from deportation, a federal
judge ruled Tuesday that the protections must stay in place and that the government must
resume accepting new applications.

Judge John D. Bates of Federal District Court for the District of Columbia said
that the administration’s decision to terminate the program, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, was based on the “virtually unexplained” grounds that the
program was “unlawful.”

The judge stayed his decision for 90 days and gave the Department of Homeland Security, which administers the program, the opportunity to better explain its reasoning for canceling it. If the department fails to do so, it “must accept
and process new
as well as renewal DACA applications,” Judge Bates said in the decision.

The ruling was the third in recent months against the Trump administration’s rollback of DACA. Federal judges in Brooklyn and in San Francisco each issued injunctions ordering that the program remain in place. But neither of those decisions required
the government to accept new applications.

Judge Bates, who was nominated by President George W. Bush in 2001, described the Trump administration’s decision to phase out DACA as “arbitrary and capricious because the department failed adequately to explain its conclusion that the program was
unlawful.”

The Obama administration established the DACA program on the premise that children brought to the United States as children should be treated as low priorities for deportation.

About 700,000 of the young undocumented immigrants — who are known as Dreamers — have signed up but must renew their DACA status every two years. The program also gives them the opportunity to work legally in the United States. Immigrants must be 15
years old to apply.

The Trump administration officially rescinded DACA in March, but the previous court orders allowed the Dreamers to file their renewal applications as challenges to the Trump administration’s move made it through the legal system.

The Supreme Court in late February declined an unusual White House request that
it immediately decide whether the Trump administration can shut down the program.

In a statement released Tuesday night, the Justice Department said that it would “continue to vigorously defend” the legality of its decision to end the DACA program and that it looked “forward to vindicating its position in further litigation.”

The Department of Homeland Security “acted within its lawful authority in deciding to wind down DACA in an orderly manner,” the Justice Department statement said. “Promoting and enforcing the rule of law is vital to protecting a nation, its borders,
and its citizens.”

Immigration advocates hailed Judge Bates’s ruling, saying it highlighted the failure of the administration to justify the program’s termination.

“Either President Trump finds another way to end the program, tossing hundreds of thousands of young people into deportation proceedings,” said Ali
Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, an advocacy group in Washington, “or
he works with Republicans and Democrats to find a legislative solution.”

In trying to close the program, the Trump administration argued that Mr. Obama had abused his authority and circumvented Congress to create DACA. President Trump urged Congress to find a legislative remedy to replace it and expressed support for giving
the Dreamers a path to citizenship.

Despite broad bipartisan support for the beneficiaries of the program, Congress
has failed to agree on a solution. Mr. Trump recently has wavered in his support of the young immigrants — at times even saying he would not agree to any deal to back them �
�� as he called for a tough crackdown on illegal immigration and construction of a wall along the border with Mexico.

In January, however, Judge William Alsup of the Federal District Court in San Francisco ordered that Dreamers must be allowed to renew their status. That lawsuit was filed by the University of California, which is led by Janet Napolitano, who was the
secretary of the Department of Homeland Security when the program began.

The next month, Judge Nicholas Garaufis of the Federal District Court in Brooklyn decided in favor of attorneys general from 15 states and several advocacy groups that sued to block the DACA rollback.

Under Judge Bates’s ruling, unless the administration can justify its decision within 90 days, the cancellation of the program will be rescinded.

The latest lawsuit was brought by the N.A.A.C.P. as well as Princeton University and Microsoft.

“Princeton higher education and our country benefit from the talent and aspirations that Dreamers bring to our communities,” Christopher L. Eisgruber, the university president, said in a statement. “We continue to urge Congress to enact a permanent
solution.”

Stephen Yale-Loehr, a professor of immigration law at Cornell Law School, said that Judge Bates’s ruling, if upheld on appeal, would “benefit tens of thousands of Dreamers.”

Hasan Shafiqullah, director of the immigration law unit of the Legal Aid Society of New York, said the ruling ushered in hope, especially for younger siblings of DACA recipients who, as of last September were ineligible to apply because they were too
young.

In three months’ time, they might be able to submit a new application, Mr. Shafiqullah said, “and at last be able to come out of the shadows, register for DACA, and — like their older siblings — more fully integrate into the fabric of our society.
”

***

You lose again, Dumpster. Although the a-hole still isn't giving up... Repeating this part, which is key:

"Under Judge Bates’s ruling, unless the administration can justify
its decision within 90 days, the cancellation of the program
will be rescinded."

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From: david.j.worrell@gmail.com

On Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 10:01:47 AM UTC-7, Jeremy H. Denisovan wrote:

So I wonder... is Trump on stimulants?

Before the election, one of my friends observed that Trump often
seemed to him to act like someone on amphetamines, and he actually
found quotes from credible sources claiming that for years Trump
had been on "a diet drug called phentermine".

Well, just recently, we've been given further reason to suspect
that Trump could very well be taking other stimulants.

CNN
Sen. Tester: VA nominee handed out prescriptions 'like candy' https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/24/politics ... index.html

Quote from the video linked above:

Anderson Cooper: "The wake-up drugs you're talking about are...
something like Provigil?"

Sen. Tester: "That's correct."

***

Provigil (aka Modafinil) has been used in military operations as a
substitute for amphetamines.

Wiki - Provigil:

"A wakefulness-promoting drug used for treatment of disorders such as

narcolepsy, shift work sleep disorder, idiopathic hypersomnia, and excessive daytime sleepiness associated with obstructive sleep apnea. It has also seen widespread off-label use as
a purported cognitive enhancer. In the United States modafinil is classified as
a schedule IV controlled substance and restricted in availability and usage, due to concerns about possible addiction potential."

Since Ronny Jackson was also Trump's personal physician...
perhaps my friend was right and Trump still is on stimulants?

Ronny Jackson Withdraws As VA Nominee
http://tinyurl.com/yaq7hj9b

Another win. That clown wasn't qualified to run the VA.

And it turns out that over a year ago my friend had speculated
in writing that Trump could very well be on Provigil (judging
by his behavior and also by his frequent "sniffing").

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