http://www.watoday.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/why-our-brain-needs-sleep-and-what-happens-if-we-dont-get-enough-of-it-20171018-gz3s0s.html
This article summarises current knowledge regarding sleep function
relevance to memory, mental health etc.
"Sleep serves many different functions. One of these is to help us
remember experiences we had during the day. REM sleep is thought to be important for emotional memories (for example, memories involving
fear) or procedural memory (such as how to ride a bike). On the other
hand, slow-wave sleep is thought to reflect the storing of so-called "declarative" memories that are the conscious record of your
experiences and what you know (for example, what you had for
breakfast)."
"We also know experiences are "replayed" in the brain during sleep -
the memories of these experiences are like segments from a movie that
can be rewound and played forward again. .... Replay helps to
strengthen the connections between brain cells, and is therefore
thought to be important for consolidating memories."
Therefore:
REM = emotional and procedural memories
Slow wave = declarative memories
Replay = consolidating memories
In lucid dreaming, none of the above occurs because interaction by the dreamer creates new things, things which are not historic - they are
not memories.
Therefore, it is at least possible, if not plausible, that functions
related to mental health and survival which have evolved over
millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of years, are being moderated, mitigated and tampered with by lucid dreaming. While lucid dreaming, memories are not being consolidated, they are not beiong pruned, they
are not being replayed. It is therefore plausible that significant
and frequent lucid dreaming damages memories and damages mental health
and is contrary to survival.
Logic.
“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in.”
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:28:45 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.watoday.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/why-our-brain-needs-sleep-and-what-happens-if-we-dont-get-enough-of-it-20171018-gz3s0s.html
This article summarises current knowledge regarding sleep function
relevance to memory, mental health etc.
"Sleep serves many different functions. One of these is to help us
remember experiences we had during the day. REM sleep is thought to be
important for emotional memories (for example, memories involving
fear) or procedural memory (such as how to ride a bike). On the other
hand, slow-wave sleep is thought to reflect the storing of so-called
"declarative" memories that are the conscious record of your
experiences and what you know (for example, what you had for
breakfast)."
"We also know experiences are "replayed" in the brain during sleep -
the memories of these experiences are like segments from a movie that
can be rewound and played forward again. .... Replay helps to
strengthen the connections between brain cells, and is therefore
thought to be important for consolidating memories."
Therefore:
REM = emotional and procedural memories
Slow wave = declarative memories
Replay = consolidating memories
In lucid dreaming, none of the above occurs because interaction by the
dreamer creates new things, things which are not historic - they are
not memories.
Therefore, it is at least possible, if not plausible, that functions
related to mental health and survival which have evolved over
millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of years, are being moderated,
mitigated and tampered with by lucid dreaming. While lucid dreaming,
memories are not being consolidated, they are not beiong pruned, they
are not being replayed. It is therefore plausible that significant
and frequent lucid dreaming damages memories and damages mental health
and is contrary to survival.
Logic.
### - yeah, well, THAT then must be WHY the tibetan buddists are THE most >INSANE peeps on planet earth!? huh...
riiiight... ;)
“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in.”
### - perhaps 'lucid' dreaming is the "crack" in the rationalists
otherwise 'fixed beliefs' (beliefs because they don't 'actually' know...) >regarding sleep & dreaming heh...
:D
(Ps. so, does your above pile of secondhand 'asserted baloney' represent
your personal comment on my book/theory then? really?? then ya might wanna >try some 'independent' thinking on matters occasionally thang, instead of >always indulging 100% in lazy rote, inherited... belief)
:)
LD doesn't drive you insane, unless you obsess on it or develop
delusional beliefs about it that affect your daily world in
negative ways. Like many other kinds of 'altered consciousness'
it's interesting, exciting, and somewhat beneficial in moderation.
It's not any kind of 'revolution', though. And if someone tried
to totally 'replace sleep' with LD as Slider has occasionally
speculated might be possible, that could be very bad for them.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 10:09:32 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:28:45 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.watoday.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/why-our-brain-needs-sleep-and-what-happens-if-we-dont-get-enough-of-it-20171018-gz3s0s.html
This article summarises current knowledge regarding sleep function
relevance to memory, mental health etc.
"Sleep serves many different functions. One of these is to help us
remember experiences we had during the day. REM sleep is thought to be
important for emotional memories (for example, memories involving
fear) or procedural memory (such as how to ride a bike). On the other
hand, slow-wave sleep is thought to reflect the storing of so-called
"declarative" memories that are the conscious record of your
experiences and what you know (for example, what you had for
breakfast)."
"We also know experiences are "replayed" in the brain during sleep -
the memories of these experiences are like segments from a movie that
can be rewound and played forward again. .... Replay helps to
strengthen the connections between brain cells, and is therefore
thought to be important for consolidating memories."
Therefore:
REM = emotional and procedural memories
Slow wave = declarative memories
Replay = consolidating memories
In lucid dreaming, none of the above occurs because interaction by the
dreamer creates new things, things which are not historic - they are
not memories.
Therefore, it is at least possible, if not plausible, that functions
related to mental health and survival which have evolved over
millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of years, are being moderated,
mitigated and tampered with by lucid dreaming. While lucid dreaming,
memories are not being consolidated, they are not beiong pruned, they
are not being replayed. It is therefore plausible that significant
and frequent lucid dreaming damages memories and damages mental health
and is contrary to survival.
Logic.
### - yeah, well, THAT then must be WHY the tibetan buddists are THE
most
INSANE peeps on planet earth!? huh...
riiiight... ;)
“There is a crack in everything, that’s how the light gets in.”
### - perhaps 'lucid' dreaming is the "crack" in the rationalists
otherwise 'fixed beliefs' (beliefs because they don't 'actually'
know...)
regarding sleep & dreaming heh...
:D
(Ps. so, does your above pile of secondhand 'asserted baloney' represent
your personal comment on my book/theory then? really?? then ya might
wanna
try some 'independent' thinking on matters occasionally thang, instead
of
always indulging 100% in lazy rote, inherited... belief)
Hey you can't just reject medical science. Your liver is a chemical
factory which can be poisoned by alcohol - you believe that right? Or
your lungs are a gas exchange and filter which can be clogged by
tobacco? Right?
Well the brain is more subtle, it's workings can't really be measured
by volume or pressure, but what comes out of it are pyramids, moon
landings, computers, the Mona Lisa and so on. You believe that right?
So being the most complex organ in the body it needs the most complex
care and attention right? With me so far?
Sooooo, if dreaming is mainly about sorting, pruning, consolidating
memories so we can use the important ones to maximise survival- then
surely if our dreams aren't historic, memory based - what can go
wrong?
You are extremely obstinate. Hugely, greatly dogmatic. You're not
open minded at all. That is a major impediment. You could for
instance actually think about things, pull apart an argument and counter-argue like a normal reasonable person in a civilised way.
Nope. It's your way or the highway.
Try a bit of flexibility. We're not playing for cattle stations here,
it's just a slow old remnant of a group with some dodgy old timers in
it basically waiting to see who dies first. So don't be so dogmatic -
you're always railing against the suit wearing public and the
intelligentsia but you're just as bad. Stubborn views are what have
got us all into this mess but very few see that.
well it's nice to see we all are getting
along so well again. My way, no my way,
no my way, fuck you my way or the hiway!
the real housewives of dreamtown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDZzf4ragg
i figure we all could use a lift.
sometimes the shit comes fast and quick
we forget that we are still standing...
we ain't dead yet..
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:54:09 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
LD doesn't drive you insane, unless you obsess on it or develop
delusional beliefs about it that affect your daily world in
negative ways. Like many other kinds of 'altered consciousness'
it's interesting, exciting, and somewhat beneficial in moderation.
It's not any kind of 'revolution', though. And if someone tried
to totally 'replace sleep' with LD as Slider has occasionally
speculated might be possible, that could be very bad for them.
### - you don't know SHIT about it jeremy! you only 'pretend' you do :)
i.e., WILDing ain't necessarily lucid dreaming! (we don't know WHAT it
is!) the term 'lucid dreaming' being derived solely from DILDs & DILDing! WILDing wasn't even taken into consideration?! - big mistake on laberge's part! - HUGE!
WILDing ultimately could/might even replace... SLEEP!
these are the implications you're ignoring/too scared to consider!
that, or you're just unable to read/model properly heh, which IS actually MORE than likely :)
the end of 'sleep' as we know it WOULD be a revolution! although that's a long way off...
whereas WILDing IS actually a revolution in lucid dreaming as it's
currently known!
you need to 'butt-out' of things you're admittedly not even interested in jeremy :)
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 12:04:00 PM UTC-7, slider wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:54:09 +0100, Jeremy H. Denisovan
wrote:
LD doesn't drive you insane, unless you obsess on it or develop
delusional beliefs about it that affect your daily world in
negative ways. Like many other kinds of 'altered consciousness'
it's interesting, exciting, and somewhat beneficial in moderation.
It's not any kind of 'revolution', though. And if someone tried
to totally 'replace sleep' with LD as Slider has occasionally
speculated might be possible, that could be very bad for them.
### - you don't know SHIT about it jeremy! you only 'pretend' you do :)
Apparently you don't know anything about it either, Slider.
For all of your endless blathering and arguing about it,
you have not ever described a single characteristic of WILD
that allegedly significantly differentiates it from DILD.
And I think that's because you can't.
The only credible research I've ever seen that differentiates
WILD from DILD in any major way at all has found tentatively that
more so-called OBE's and experiences of flying seem to result
from WILD than from DILD
But since I've had many, many seeming "OBE's" (which really aren't)
and many, many experiences of lucid flight, I really don't think
I've missed out on anything.
I've also been careful to observe, from my own experiences,
how if there is another characteristic that differentiates WILD,
it is possibly the tendency to dream an exact copy of one's real-time environment which seems so realistic that one can easily believe
oneself to be awake or "OBE". If there's any real experiential
differentiator of WILD, I'd say that's probably it.
And I also know beyond a shadow of a doubt that full lucidity
is attainable in both DILD and WILD.
But you have never described any significant difference between
the experience of DILD and WILD - at least, not any difference
other those that can be explained by your own relative inability
to maintain full lucidity in DILD.
i.e., WILDing ain't necessarily lucid dreaming! (we don't know WHAT it
is!) the term 'lucid dreaming' being derived solely from DILDs &
DILDing!
WILDing wasn't even taken into consideration?! - big mistake on
laberge's
part! - HUGE!
LaBerge is one of the few people who ever did serious research on WILD.
He's the one who found a higher incidence of seeming "OBE" and flying
in WILDs. Show me any better research on WILD than LaBerge's.
I'm not saying his is great; I'm just saying there isn't much.
WILDing ultimately could/might even replace... SLEEP!
Could? Might? Just more cheap talk and fanaticism.
these are the implications you're ignoring/too scared to consider!
No, I simply think your ideas on this are dead wrong. You ignore
the voluminous research on the multiple functions of sleep.
(Just as you studiously ignore any evidence on any subject that
differs from your own stubbornly fixed opinions.)
that, or you're just unable to read/model properly heh, which IS
actually
MORE than likely :)
Yeah, toss out some more smoke and bs. Pathetic. :)
the end of 'sleep' as we know it WOULD be a revolution! although that's
a
long way off...
whereas WILDing IS actually a revolution in lucid dreaming as it's
currently known!
In what way? You never say, and can't say, because you don't know.
You just keep making "WILD" claims you can't back up. :)
you need to 'butt-out' of things you're admittedly not even interested
in
jeremy :)
You're the one who pretends to know what he's talking about. In reality,
you seem to know nothing more about LD than I do, and maybe less. :)
I'll tell you this much. You've never spoken of any LD *experience*
that seemed very interesting or impressive to me. Shit, even my
ordinary dreams are often more interesting than any dreaming
experience I've ever seen you post.
well it's nice to see we all are getting
along so well again. My way, no my way,
no my way, fuck you my way or the hiway!
the real housewives of dreamtown.
The friggin' ordinary dream I had just
last night was more fascinating than
any dream I've seen you post in 15 years.
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store world? >'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists have a >nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and the >next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the thangs & >jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image huh...)
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the thangs &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most sympathetic, not to mention competent.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus ><thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store world? >>> 'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the thangs & >>> jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion
extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It
appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream
recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND analogy
all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no problemo >whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the jeremy's
heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some particular
blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in' the resulting >blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by >everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the >exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there?
kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and >>>> the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment;
then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the
thangs &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise >>>> into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion
extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It
appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream
recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy
all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no problemo
whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the jeremy's
heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some particular
blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in' the
resulting
blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
While I was being a little tongue in cheek there is a core reality in
what I said. You do waffle. It's hard to understand what you mean
mate because you ain't no poet and you're not really very lucid
sometimes in your ramblings.
Just practice clear writing. It's not too hard. Idea -> draft ->
final. Keep it short and assume your reader has a simple education. Punctuate, always punctuate - and observe the normal grammatical rules
you were presumably taught in school. Practice makes perfect.
And always read your writings after you jot them down. You *can*
edit, you know :)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood
by
everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's
the
exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
Yep, Dirac was an unusual scientist. Always looking for meaning.
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus <thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the thangs
&
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion
extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It
appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream
recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no problemo whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the jeremy's heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some particular blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in'
the resulting blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood
by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's
the exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
thang ornerythinchus wrote...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there?
kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever' >>>>> grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened,
and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment;
then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the
thangs &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up'
siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called >>>> "wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion >>>> extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California >>>> which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It >>>> appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants >>>> has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream >>>> recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy
all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no problemo
whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the
jeremy's
heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some particular
blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in' the
resulting
blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
While I was being a little tongue in cheek there is a core reality in
what I said. You do waffle. It's hard to understand what you mean
mate because you ain't no poet and you're not really very lucid
sometimes in your ramblings.
### - heh, i 'know' you have difficultly understanding me, and that what
i say sometimes seems to make 'no sense' to you? (i get that reaction a
lot heh...)
truth is: YOU have to make the effort to 'make sense' of it (that's a
clue btw) ;)
Just practice clear writing. It's not too hard. Idea -> draft ->
final. Keep it short and assume your reader has a simple education.
Punctuate, always punctuate - and observe the normal grammatical rules
you were presumably taught in school. Practice makes perfect.
### - haha, the material i've published was written in precisely that
manner!
that, however, is NOT the way i 'talk' in conversation (that's 'another'
clue for ya) ;)
And always read your writings after you jot them down. You *can*
edit, you know :)
### - believe it or not i always do! meticulously! (laughing, do ya
think it's 'easy' to write like that?? lol i have to work 'my
bollocks-off' to write like that! haha...) :)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be
understood by
everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's
the
exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
Yep, Dirac was an unusual scientist. Always looking for meaning.
### - heh and here's a perfect example!; you read the FIRST part of this 'fabulous' quote but totally ignored/scooted-over the rest; the
'important' bit?? (i.e., do you think i quoted this by random? far from
it! it was strictly contextual and meant/intended to illuminate!)
so now i'll set you an exercise thang, let's see if you can do it ok?
(smile, i know you like difficult/challenging things...)
please 'analise' the above quote of diracs' and explain, as best you can (because it's definitely going to be difficult for you, as it would be
for anyone...), just 'exactly' what he's referring to when he says: "But
in poetry, it's the exact opposite."
the first part is clear enough AND is again, precisely how i've written
my published material, but the second part of his quote in reference to poetry is a little more ambiguous; HOW could 'poetry' be the 'exact opposite'? (this is/goes deep ok?)
after which; 'making sense' of some of the things i say may become clearer/easier to you in future ;)
(this is not a pie-in-the-sky- exercise btw, but a genuine attempt to
bring you just that little closer into what poetry really + actually is,
and what it's all about... have fun)
### - here's a repost of the first mention of dirac to you dated 21/10 >last...
it all 'started' there/here!
and in the follow-up i went a bit farther...
(see next repost)
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? kneel, >>>> bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, and >>>> the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; then >>>> all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the thangs >>>> &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up' siphon-wise >>>> into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion
extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It
appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream
recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no
problemo whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the
jeremy's heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some
particular blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in'
the resulting blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood
by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's
the exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
You deceptive old bastard :)
It's your fucking sig! I have around 30 or so sigs I use as well and
no one (except Dave, once) comments on sigs. Sigs are part of usenet,
have always BEEN part of usenet - they show a sentiment, a feeling of
the poster, a belief perhaps - they are NOT part of the post or the
thread otherwise.
They are not to be commented on unless intrinsically exceptionally
beautiful, meaningful or the opposites. They generally aren't even consistent with the theme of the OP or the thread follow ups. They
are just fucking sigs, and this "mention" as you deceptively call it,
of Dirac, was one of your SIGS!
You're more crooked than a fucking dog's hind leg :(
Jeez...
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:08:45 -0000, slider <slider@anashram.org>
wrote:
### - here's a repost of the first mention of dirac to you dated 21/10
last...
it all 'started' there/here!
and in the follow-up i went a bit farther...
(see next repost)
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there?
kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever' >>>>> grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists
have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened,
and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment;
then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the
thangs
&
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up'
siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream
about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called >>>> "wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion >>>> extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California >>>> which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It >>>> appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants >>>> has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream >>>> recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no
problemo whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and
the
jeremy's heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some
particular blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in'
the resulting blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood
by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry,
it's
the exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
### - and this is the follow-up, reposted just for you ;)
in this one (seeing as you totally ignored the last part of his quote) i >challenge you to actually LOOK at it and decipher... calling your
attention 'directly' to it...
which you then promptly... forgot??
(many might think in an express effort to weasel out of doing it? only i >don't think you're a weasel, i just think it's possibly too difficult for >you, or at least that's what YOU maybe think, only again i don't think it
IS too hard for you, just difficult... and that you'll understand more
when you study it and then apply 'some' of your resulting conclusions to
my particular style of writing + that of others as regards poetry...)
have a go can't you? it's actually very interesting! and, is potentially
an illuminating addition to what you think you already know about poetry...
i DID your exercise, now please do mine, and then maybe we can 'move-on'
from our current impasse...
imho dirac is stating something of extreme importance that shouldn't BE >overlooked, but instead studied at length and in-depth until a new light >dawns upon the subject for you personally...
and then perhaps we can talk/discuss/debate to our little hearts-content :)
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:08:21 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com> wrote:
thang ornerythinchus wrote...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store
world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there?
kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they 'ever' >>>>>> grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists >>>>>> have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, >>>>>> and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; >>>>>> then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the
thangs &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up'
siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image
huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of
this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream >>>>> about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down
somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself called >>>>> "wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this was >>>>> unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental delusion >>>>> extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes", all >>>>> 7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known
only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's
original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in California >>>>> which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual
immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to
the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct called >>>>> apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism
"pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion
assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. It >>>>> appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban inhabitants >>>>> has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living soul >>>>> as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the dream >>>>> recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the
meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability *must* >>>>> not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy
all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no problemo >>>> whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the
jeremy's
heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some particular >>>> blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in' the
resulting
blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
While I was being a little tongue in cheek there is a core reality in
what I said. You do waffle. It's hard to understand what you mean
mate because you ain't no poet and you're not really very lucid
sometimes in your ramblings.
### - heh, i 'know' you have difficultly understanding me, and that what
i say sometimes seems to make 'no sense' to you? (i get that reaction a
lot heh...)
truth is: YOU have to make the effort to 'make sense' of it (that's a
clue btw) ;)
Just practice clear writing. It's not too hard. Idea -> draft ->
final. Keep it short and assume your reader has a simple education.
Punctuate, always punctuate - and observe the normal grammatical rules
you were presumably taught in school. Practice makes perfect.
### - haha, the material i've published was written in precisely that
manner!
that, however, is NOT the way i 'talk' in conversation (that's 'another'
clue for ya) ;)
And always read your writings after you jot them down. You *can*
edit, you know :)
### - believe it or not i always do! meticulously! (laughing, do ya
think it's 'easy' to write like that?? lol i have to work 'my
bollocks-off' to write like that! haha...) :)
---------
"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be
understood by
everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's
the
exact opposite." -- paul dirac :)
Yep, Dirac was an unusual scientist. Always looking for meaning.
### - heh and here's a perfect example!; you read the FIRST part of this
'fabulous' quote but totally ignored/scooted-over the rest; the
'important' bit?? (i.e., do you think i quoted this by random? far from
it! it was strictly contextual and meant/intended to illuminate!)
so now i'll set you an exercise thang, let's see if you can do it ok?
(smile, i know you like difficult/challenging things...)
please 'analise' the above quote of diracs' and explain, as best you can
(because it's definitely going to be difficult for you, as it would be
for anyone...), just 'exactly' what he's referring to when he says: "But
in poetry, it's the exact opposite."
the first part is clear enough AND is again, precisely how i've written
my published material, but the second part of his quote in reference to
poetry is a little more ambiguous; HOW could 'poetry' be the 'exact
opposite'? (this is/goes deep ok?)
after which; 'making sense' of some of the things i say may become
clearer/easier to you in future ;)
(this is not a pie-in-the-sky- exercise btw, but a genuine attempt to
bring you just that little closer into what poetry really + actually is,
and what it's all about... have fun)
The simple self-flattering implication is that Slider imagines himself
to be profoundly poetic, but like most/all of his other beliefs,
there's little to no evidence of this actually being the case.
My finger is fine. See? ;)
I've been busy. I've got some stuff happening which I can live without
but life brings things every moment which we can do without so, I need
to resolve. To your post about Dirac: time to address.
Dirac was an eccentric but this "quote" is taken out of context and is
*not* the original statement he made. This is what he really said to Oppenheimer and this is the context and setting in which he said it:
"Ever the intellectual peacock, Oppenheimer ensured that his
colleagues knew he was thinking about more than physics: his eclectic
reading list included F. Scott Fitzgerald’s collection of short
stories Winter Dreams, Chekhov’s play Ivanov and the works of the
German lyric poet Johann Hölderlin. He was also composing verse, a
hobby that puzzled Dirac.
‘I don’t see how you can work on physics and write poetry at the same time,’ he remarked during one of their walks. ‘In science, you want to say something nobody knew before, in words everyone can understand. In poetry, you are bound to say something that everybody knows already in
words that nobody can understand.’
For decades to come, Oppenheimer liked to recount this anecdote over cocktails, no doubt having polished Dirac’s original phrasing to give
it the bite of one of Wilde’s paradoxes"
Dirac did not say ""In science one tries to tell people, in such a way
as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew
before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite."
In facr, Dirac was never much interested in poetry. I took this
excerpt from a well known book on Dirac - "The Strangest Man, The
Hidden Life of Paul Dirac, Quantum Genius - Graham Farmelo". I've
uploaded it for you here:
https://ufile.io/iu4pv
Because now the reality of what Dirac said in the correct historic
context and setting is completely different, in fact diametrically
opposed, to what you think he meant, I don't see any use in responding
to what you posted. To do so is to tilt at windmills in my view.
Do you think I'm wrong? I'm open to reason.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:22:52 -0000, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
### - and this is the follow-up, reposted just for you ;)
in this one (seeing as you totally ignored the last part of his quote) i
challenge you to actually LOOK at it and decipher... calling your
attention 'directly' to it...
which you then promptly... forgot??
(many might think in an express effort to weasel out of doing it? only i
don't think you're a weasel, i just think it's possibly too difficult
for
you, or at least that's what YOU maybe think, only again i don't think
it
IS too hard for you, just difficult... and that you'll understand more
when you study it and then apply 'some' of your resulting conclusions to
my particular style of writing + that of others as regards poetry...)
have a go can't you? it's actually very interesting! and, is potentially
an illuminating addition to what you think you already know about
poetry...
i DID your exercise, now please do mine, and then maybe we can 'move-on'
from our current impasse...
imho dirac is stating something of extreme importance that shouldn't BE
overlooked, but instead studied at length and in-depth until a new light
dawns upon the subject for you personally...
and then perhaps we can talk/discuss/debate to our little
hearts-content :)
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:08:21 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com> wrote:
thang ornerythinchus wrote...
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 02:04:46 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 01:37:15 +0100, thang ornerythinchus
<thangolossus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 21:28:18 +0100, slider <slider@nanashram.com>
wrote:
whisperoutloud wrote/muses...
I'll tell you about one of the
dreams because it was so damn real and
it might have some significience. This
gas station / convenience store had burned
down. I got there after the firemen soaked
the hell out of the place. The two owners
were sad that there life savings was gone now.
This seemed to be a place where i knew alot of
people who frequented this place. It had other
buildings on the property. Was sort of like
a mecca or oasis setting but was here in the West.
I felt sorry for these people because it was such
a cool place to come to. Oh well, there's always
another gas station or 7-11 out there.
### - wallyworld got burned down?
quite sad really because there ISN'T another one out there...
(sounds about right all this above: gas-station/convenience-store >>>>>>> world?
'mecca' is right! lol @ how humanity flocked to/worshiped there? >>>>>>> kneel,
bow, pray all you peeps to the gods of high finance! will they
'ever'
grow-up on this planet of the apes?? probably not but the buddhists >>>>>>> have a
nice idea; that when a third of the world IS actually enlightened, >>>>>>> and
the
next third is definitely 'on-the-road' to that same enlightenment; >>>>>>> then
all the pigs & fishes (the hardest of all to enlighten: all the
thangs &
jeremy's of this world lol...) will all be/get 'sucked-up'
siphon-wise
into the bigger picture and then aaall will be well... nice image >>>>>>> huh...)
Here, for all those lurkers out there, let me try to make sense of >>>>>> this:
1. This is a reply to the original post which related Chris's dream >>>>>> about a gas station and some related popular buildings burning down >>>>>> somewhere near the Cali fires.
2. Brian transposes an imaginary concept known only to himself
called
"wally world" for the gas station.
3. Brian states that his imaginary construct burnt down and this
was
unfortunate because there wasn't another such imaginary construct
anywhere in the Western USA.
4. Brian sweeps off into a state of almost hysterical mental
delusion
extending his imaginary construct from Chris's original
California-based location to global range, scooping up all of
humanity, all 7 billion souls, and implementing another imaginary
construct called "planet of the apes".
5. In this global imaginary construct, the "planet of the apes",
all
7 billion souls make obeisance to another imaginary construct known >>>>>> only to Brian which he calls "the gods of high finance".
6. Intermission - we are now a great distance indeed from Chris's >>>>>> original dream regarding the immolation of a gas station in
California
which one could be forgiven for thinking has a cause in the actual >>>>>> immolation of parts of California.
7. Brian questions the maturity of all 7 billion souls on this
"planet of the apes".
8. Brian superimposes a snippet from an unnamed source relating to >>>>>> the world's fourth largest religion over all 7 billion souls. He
states that 2.33 billion souls are another imaginary construct
called
apparently by the unnamed source of the snippet of alleged buddhism >>>>>> "pigs and fishes". Brian names two souls within this 2.33 billion >>>>>> assemblage as myself and Jeremy, another contributor to this NG.
Analysis:
Brian is an older person living a solitary existence, perhaps
subsistence, in one of the largest and oldest cities in the world. >>>>>> It
appears that his solitary existence amidst 9 million urban
inhabitants
has permitted his mind to develop anomalous constructs and a
disturbingly perverse world view which paints every other living
soul
as unworthy of existence.
Typical of such "loners", the absence of human referential guides
renders him unable to understand let alone quantify the extent to
which his mind has developed gross abnormalities.
Therefore, at the slightest stimulus, Brian's abnormality of mind
mutates simple renditions of innocuous circumstances such as the
dream
recounted by Chris in the original post into sweeping delusions the >>>>>> meaning of which Brian is quite incapable of expressing
comprehensibly.
Clearly, Brian, although he will not and for his own stability
*must*
not admit it, needs help. In a city of 9 million souls there are
avenues for such assistance which can be quite anonymous and most
sympathetic, not to mention competent.
### - (laughing...) it's a simple poetic 'allusion', metaphor AND
analogy
all rolled into one ya twit, one which am sure chris 'gets' no
problemo
whatsoever, easy-peasey... it's only difficult for you (and the
jeremy's
heh) of this world is all... you personally, also have some
particular
blind spots in this area, and when you attempt to 'fill-in' the
resulting
blanks you come up with all this crap?? hehehe...
you CAN'T analyse Art!
one can merely make the attempt to understand it ;)
While I was being a little tongue in cheek there is a core reality in
what I said. You do waffle. It's hard to understand what you mean
mate because you ain't no poet and you're not really very lucid
sometimes in your ramblings.
### - heh, i 'know' you have difficultly understanding me, and that
what
i say sometimes seems to make 'no sense' to you? (i get that reaction a
lot heh...)
| Sysop: | sneaky |
|---|---|
| Location: | Ashburton,NZ |
| Users: | 28 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 150:17:21 |
| Calls: | 2,001 |
| Calls today: | 2 |
| Files: | 11,112 |
| Messages: | 943,452 |