• Re: Guitar wiring help

    From RIDDLEYWALKER@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 23, 2020 14:56:46
    From: brettmeldahl@gmail.com

    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table, endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use. I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each volume and 2 each tone controls. Ive replaced the busted up selector and wired it the same way as thebold and still have no front pick (single coil).
    Spent so much time searching for a schematic and no luck so if someone has one pls forward. Thank you!

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  • From Flasherly@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 23, 2020 15:02:17
    From: Flasherly@live.com

    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 10:35:31 -0800 (PST), brettmeldahl@gmail.com
    wrote:

    Its been a time and I've forgotten lore than I know so I'm looking for a basic
    diagram and not a long explanation, please.

    Guitar has 1 HB, 1 single, 2 volume, 2 tone.

    Someone else wired it (I just bought it) and someone replaced everything but the 1960s 3 way switch which is a bunch of pieces held together by tape.

    I have no access panels and have to work through F holes or cut it all out and
    build it on a table.

    All help is appreciated

    Probably want to keep it simple: Tape for a 3-way switch isn't exactly
    a good design concept. There's generally a threaded shaft, top nut
    and washer to secure the assembly, wherein the switch's contacts rock
    from out of a inner-shaft mounting (not a sliding and open elongated
    Fender design, likely to require the switch, if not missing switch
    parts tape may indicate, be suitably sized for a replacement or
    altogether an integral working unit).

    A table with lighting and possible makeshift tools, to an extent you
    have to fit them for working through the F-Holes where hands can't
    immediately reach;- a small telescopic mirror and a small bright LED
    to see, indirectly reflecting light off the mirror if to obscurer
    reaches of the cavity inside.

    The higher likelihood, is its design is not intentionally so made to
    "cut it all out", provisionally, then for the face of a guitar
    pre-assembled from electronics mounted behind, or intended to be
    inaccessible once that portion it's mounted and glued to the rest of
    the body.

    Meaning, patience and thinking it out when putting the guitar on a
    table for inspecting it closely for indications and a method of
    assembly -- a logic to finally securing electronics to a wooden base
    intended to receive them. A certain approach would of course be a
    hopeful possibility, as one might no less to think to care first for
    covering the table with protective cloth to avoid gouges or scratches
    to the guitar's finish before continuing.

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  • From Neil@1:229/2 to brettmeldahl@gmail.com on Thursday, January 23, 2020 14:23:53
    From: neil@myplaceofwork.com

    On 1/23/2020 1:35 PM, brettmeldahl@gmail.com wrote:
    Its been a time and I've forgotten lore than I know so I'm looking for a
    basic diagram and not a long explanation, please.

    Guitar has 1 HB, 1 single, 2 volume, 2 tone.

    Someone else wired it (I just bought it) and someone replaced everything but
    the 1960s 3 way switch which is a bunch of pieces held together by tape.

    I have no access panels and have to work through F holes or cut it all out
    and build it on a table.

    All help is appreciated

    It sounds like there are more than a few modifications to whatever this
    guitar is, so more info would help to make some suggestions.

    What make and model is this guitar?

    Many semi & hollow-body guitars are wired by pulling the controls,
    switches and jack out through one of the f-holes. Pickup wiring would
    have to be unsoldered to free up the controls, but I'd hold off on that
    until you know what you have. So, that is where you'd start to get a
    handle on what you have and make necessary revisions.

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From brettmeldahl@gmail.com@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 23, 2020 10:35:31
    Its been a time and I've forgotten lore than I know so I'm looking for a basic diagram and not a long explanation, please.

    Guitar has 1 HB, 1 single, 2 volume, 2 tone.

    Someone else wired it (I just bought it) and someone replaced everything but the 1960s 3 way switch which is a bunch of pieces held together by tape.

    I have no access panels and have to work through F holes or cut it all out and build it on a table.

    All help is appreciated

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  • From RIDDLEYWALKER@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 23, 2020 14:59:14
    From: brettmeldahl@gmail.com

    I should mention I built guitars about 4 decades ago which is why I've got tools, etc and also why I have forgotten more than I remember. Somewhere in the
    40byears I've lost all mybbooks and such as I'd given up working on them for playing them. Just
    need a pic

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  • From Neil@1:229/2 to RIDDLEYWALKER on Thursday, January 23, 2020 20:06:29
    From: neil@myplaceofwork.com

    On 1/23/2020 5:56 PM, RIDDLEYWALKER wrote:
    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table, endoscope,
    and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use. I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each volume and 2 each tone controls.
    Ive replaced the busted up selector and wired it the same way as thebold and
    still have no front pick (single coil).
    Spent so much time searching for a schematic and no luck so if someone has
    one pls forward. Thank you!

    Take a look at this site:

    <https://guitarelectronics.com/guitar-wiring-resources/2-pickup-guitar-wiring-diagrams/>

    --
    best regards,

    Neil

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  • From %@1:229/2 to Flasherly on Thursday, January 23, 2020 20:21:24
    From: persent@gmail.com

    On 2020-01-23 8:11 p.m., Flasherly wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 (PST), RIDDLEYWALKER <brettmeldahl@gmail.com> wrote:


    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table,
    endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use.
    I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each
    volume and 2 each tone controls.

    Ive replaced the busted up selector and wired it the same way as the
    old and still have no front pick (single coil).

    Spent so much time searching for a schematic and no luck so if someone
    has one pls forward. Thank you!

    -
    There's a continuity problem with the single PU. It's no less a
    duplicate circuit, for that purpose, split from the selector with the single-coil existing its own tone pots. An open electrical condition
    will need be isolated within the single-coils own circuit path:

    a) does the selector hold electrical continuity and pass a signal
    without an open from the single-coil selection.

    b)...is that PU itself functional and have a signal to amplify (can
    you hear a screwdriver tap occur when it touches against the coils)?

    c) is the PU signal finally getting through as passed through both to resistor volume and tone pots and their supportive
    capacitors/resistors?

    [d: amplifier output jack should be common to a working humbucker and irrelevant or in working condition to both PUs.]

    One of three, then, [a-c] are the possible sub-stages where, in that particular circuit Single-Coil stage, an OPEN condition exists in
    wiring or a supportive component.

    Multimeter is needed. Nice extras are a meter with an audible feedback continuity checker, and a tiny $10 shoebox "practice" amp from a
    pawnshop is easier deal with while working to fit under, aside or
    beside whatall else is regardless going on on the worktable.

    and then the rain came and the ark began to float

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  • From Flasherly@1:229/2 to brettmeldahl@gmail.com on Thursday, January 23, 2020 22:11:39
    From: Flasherly@live.com

    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 (PST), RIDDLEYWALKER <brettmeldahl@gmail.com> wrote:


    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table,
    endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use.
    I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each
    volume and 2 each tone controls.

    Ive replaced the busted up selector and wired it the same way as the
    old and still have no front pick (single coil).

    Spent so much time searching for a schematic and no luck so if someone
    has one pls forward. Thank you!

    -
    There's a continuity problem with the single PU. It's no less a
    duplicate circuit, for that purpose, split from the selector with the single-coil existing its own tone pots. An open electrical condition
    will need be isolated within the single-coils own circuit path:

    a) does the selector hold electrical continuity and pass a signal
    without an open from the single-coil selection.

    b)...is that PU itself functional and have a signal to amplify (can
    you hear a screwdriver tap occur when it touches against the coils)?

    c) is the PU signal finally getting through as passed through both to
    resistor volume and tone pots and their supportive
    capacitors/resistors?

    [d: amplifier output jack should be common to a working humbucker and irrelevant or in working condition to both PUs.]

    One of three, then, [a-c] are the possible sub-stages where, in that
    particular circuit Single-Coil stage, an OPEN condition exists in
    wiring or a supportive component.

    Multimeter is needed. Nice extras are a meter with an audible feedback continuity checker, and a tiny $10 shoebox "practice" amp from a
    pawnshop is easier deal with while working to fit under, aside or
    beside whatall else is regardless going on on the worktable.

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  • From Lord Valve@1:229/2 to NoName on Friday, January 24, 2020 11:57:01
    From: ghost.crapper@gmail.com

    On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:06:46 AM UTC-7, NoName wrote:
    On 1/23/20 9:11 PM, Flasherly wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 (PST), RIDDLEYWALKER <brettmeldahl@gmail.com> wrote:


    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table,
    endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use.
    I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each
    volume and 2 each tone controls.



    Those slider switches often add a capacitor to the circuit. Adding a capacitor will cut higher frequency and appear to boost the lower end.


    It is best to simply draw out what the wiring circuit is instead of
    trying to find a matching one on line.


    Then again, you may wish to replace the existing circuit
    with the world-famous NoName SCR circuit which can step
    down 220VAC to 110VAC for use with audio equipment. I'm
    sure Mr. NoName will be more than glad to provide you with
    a copy of the schematic, since he was able to find it on
    Google in less than 5 minutes. Of course, you may wish to
    take anything he tells you with a grain of salt, since he's
    one of the most electronically ignorant posers on the Net;
    he can't tell a phase-inverter from a fire hydrant, or a
    B-flat from a beer can. If you do *anything* he tells you
    to do, the result is likely to be smoke.

    You Have Been Warned.

    Lord Valve, ThD
    Expert (fuck you)

    T R U M P 2 0 2 0 - M A G A - 1 7 7 6 / 1 8 6 1

    W W G 1 W G A

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  • From NoName@1:229/2 to Flasherly on Friday, January 24, 2020 09:06:41
    From: NoEmail@void.net

    On 1/23/20 9:11 PM, Flasherly wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 (PST), RIDDLEYWALKER <brettmeldahl@gmail.com> wrote:


    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table,
    endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use.
    I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each
    volume and 2 each tone controls.



    Those slider switches often add a capacitor to the circuit. Adding a capacitor will cut higher frequency and appear to boost the lower end.


    It is best to simply draw out what the wiring circuit is instead of
    trying to find a matching one on line.


    Ive replaced the busted up selector and wired it the same way as the
    old and still have no front pick (single coil).

    Spent so much time searching for a schematic and no luck so if someone
    has one pls forward. Thank you!

    -
    There's a continuity problem with the single PU. It's no less a
    duplicate circuit, for that purpose, split from the selector with the single-coil existing its own tone pots. An open electrical condition
    will need be isolated within the single-coils own circuit path:

    a) does the selector hold electrical continuity and pass a signal
    without an open from the single-coil selection.

    b)...is that PU itself functional and have a signal to amplify (can
    you hear a screwdriver tap occur when it touches against the coils)?

    c) is the PU signal finally getting through as passed through both to resistor volume and tone pots and their supportive
    capacitors/resistors?

    [d: amplifier output jack should be common to a working humbucker and irrelevant or in working condition to both PUs.]

    One of three, then, [a-c] are the possible sub-stages where, in that particular circuit Single-Coil stage, an OPEN condition exists in
    wiring or a supportive component.

    Multimeter is needed. Nice extras are a meter with an audible feedback continuity checker, and a tiny $10 shoebox "practice" amp from a
    pawnshop is easier deal with while working to fit under, aside or
    beside whatall else is regardless going on on the worktable.


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  • From Defiant@1:229/2 to Lord Valve on Sunday, January 26, 2020 08:16:03
    From: spam_this@outhouse.com

    On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 11:57:01 -0800, Lord Valve wrote:

    On Friday, January 24, 2020 at 8:06:46 AM UTC-7, NoName wrote:
    On 1/23/20 9:11 PM, Flasherly wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:56:46 -0800 (PST), RIDDLEYWALKER
    <brettmeldahl@gmail.com> wrote:


    No name guitarvwith fantastic action. I've got a proper table,
    endoscope, and all the luthier & electronic tools, etc one could use.
    I just dont have a schematic for a HB-SC-3way slider with 2 each
    volume and 2 each tone controls.



    Those slider switches often add a capacitor to the circuit. Adding a
    capacitor will cut higher frequency and appear to boost the lower end.


    It is best to simply draw out what the wiring circuit is instead of
    trying to find a matching one on line.


    Then again, you may wish to replace the existing circuit
    with the world-famous NoName SCR circuit which can step
    down 220VAC to 110VAC for use with audio equipment. I'm
    sure Mr. NoName will be more than glad to provide you with
    a copy of the schematic, since he was able to find it on
    Google in less than 5 minutes. Of course, you may wish to
    take anything he tells you with a grain of salt, since he's
    one of the most electronically ignorant posers on the Net;
    he can't tell a phase-inverter from a fire hydrant, or a
    B-flat from a beer can. If you do *anything* he tells you
    to do, the result is likely to be smoke.

    You Have Been Warned.

    Lord Valve, ThD
    Expert (fuck you)

    T R U M P 2 0 2 0 - M A G A - 1 7 7 6 / 1 8 6 1

    W W G 1 W G A

    Not necessarily. Another likely result of listening to NoName is
    that you will end up sitting on a cloud next to Keith Relf, asking
    him "what happened?"

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