• Re: ANCIENT INDIAN MATHEMATICIANS WERE WAY AHEAD OF THE REST OF THE WOR

    From Dr. Jai Maharaj@1:229/2 to All on Thursday, January 10, 2019 22:15:57
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    In article <KQNZD.14663$wz4.9279@fx10.iad>,
    FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATe...@yahoo.com> posted:

    ANCIENT INDIAN MATHEMATICIANS WERE WAY AHEAD OF THE REST OF
    THE WORLD

    http://www.pragyata.com/mag/numerical-imagination-of-ancient-india-518

    Numerical Imagination of Ancient India

    The conception of astronomical numbers by mathematicians in
    India made them stand well above the rest.

    by Abhijit Adhikari

    Introduction

    The mathematical achievements of ancient India have largely
    remained hidden, but thanks to the internet age are coming
    to the surface in recent times. Many books have been
    written about the advanced mathematics, including
    trigonometry and calculus discovered in India which reached
    Europe in the Middle Ages through the Arabs. Here, I want
    to go into an even more basic mathematical idea which turns
    out to be one of the biggest leaps of imagination also.
    This is the ancient Indian numeric system.

    Other Civilizations

    The most basic indicator of the mathematical abilities and
    imagination of any civilization is the numeric system used
    by them and the largest number which they have arrived at.
    The following are some of the numbers used by ancient
    civilizations.

    The largest number having any representation in ancient
    China was 10,000. That's it.

    Chinese wrote Ten Thousand as:

    Similarly, the largest named number for the ancient Greeks
    was a Myriad, which was 10,000. To be fair, Archimedes did
    write a paper calculating the number of sand grains in the
    universe and therefore did imagine numbers as large as
    1063, but that knowledge remained unused and quickly
    forgotten.

    Even the Romans, Persians and Egyptians never went beyond
    One Million. Roman one million:

    Egyptians wrote one million this way:

    Of course, Arabs received all knowledge from India, so they
    should not even be counted. Compared to the above numbers
    from other civilizations, ancient India went far ahead.

    Some of the largest numbers are referred to and defined in
    the Valmiki Ramayan. Valmiki defines these numbers while
    describing the size of Sri Ram's army in the Yuddha Kanda,
    (6-28-33)

    "Wise men call a Shata Shata Sahastra as a Koti. A Shata
    Sahastra Koti is reckoned as a Shanku."

    Shata is a hundred and Sahastra is a thousand. So a Koti is
    10,000,000 (10 Million) and Hundred Thousand Koti is a
    Trillion. These days, what we call as "one lakh crore" for
    lack of proper terminology, actually had a name in ancient
    times -- a "Shanku"!

    So One Shanku (1012) is basically One Trillion.

    Valmiki goes further to define even larger numbers:

    Using Shatam Sahastram (same as Laksha) as Hundred Thousand
    for easy understanding:

    Hundred Thousand Shanku = Maha Shanku = 1017
    Hundred Thousand Maha Shanku = Vrinda = 1022
    Hundred Thousand Vrinda = Maha Vrinda = 1027
    Hundred Thousand Mahavrinda = Padma = 1032
    Hundred Thousand Padma = Mahapadma = 1037
    Hundred Thousand MahaPadma = Kharva = 1042
    Hundred Thousand Kharva = Maha Kharva = 1047
    Hundred Thousand MahaKharva = Samudra = 1052
    Hundred Thousand Samudra = Augha = 1057
    Hundred Thousand Aughas = Maha Augha = 1062

    How big is Maha Augha?

    Does anyone know what 1062 is called in the modern metric
    system? Probably not, because no one uses numbers as large
    as these, except scientists working at the astronomical
    scale (counting stars and galaxies) or atomic scale while
    measuring the number of atoms in the universe.

    Yes, that's how big this number is.

    So, considering that there are 1023 stars and estimated
    1080 atoms in the known universe, that's the scale we are
    talking about. This is far far ahead of any civilization in
    all of earth's history, that came up with a numeric system.

    Even Further

    Later on, the Buddhist monks went even further. The
    Lalitavistara Sutra (a Mahayana Buddhist work) recounts a
    contest which included writing, arithmetic, wrestling and
    archery. In it the Buddha was pitted against the great
    mathematician Arjuna and showed off his numerical skills by
    citing the names of the powers of ten, up to 1
    'tallakshana', which equals 1053, but then going on to
    explain that this is just one of a series of counting
    systems that can be expanded geometrically. The last number
    at which he arrived at after going through nine successive
    counting systems was 10421, that is, a 1 followed by 421
    zeros! But he did not stop there, he actually named all the
    numbers up to that, with 10421 being called as
    "dhvajagranishamani (??????????????)". That is astounding!

    Very small numbers

    I can bet many people have no idea that ancient Indians
    were interested in very small numbers also, especially when
    defining the concept of Time.

    And so on. I am sure it must come as a surprise to many
    people that in ancient India we had names for numbers that
    went to negative powers of ten also!

    Infinity

    After naming bewilderingly large numbers, it would have
    been surprising if ancient Indians did not come up with a
    shloka or two to define Infinity.

    Om poornam-adah poornam-idah poorna-aat poornam-udachyate,
    Poorna-asya poornam-aadaaya poornam-evaa vashishyate

    That is whole, This is whole, From the whole comes the
    whole. Even if the whole is taken away from whole, still
    the wholeness remains.

    Yes. That is the exact definition of Infinity, that many of
    us use in our daily prayers!

    Where are we now?

    So, forget about using any of these numbers in our daily
    lives, the mind boggles just at the thought of the
    mathematical imagination of our forefathers. Remember,
    Ramayan and Lalita-Vistara were religious scriptures, so it
    is an ode to the mathematical genius of ancient Indians,
    that they found it very normal to define huge mathematical
    numbers even in our religious texts.

    Maybe, in those days being good in mathematics was just
    commonplace.

    Compared to this, how does it sound now, when we hear
    people using simple terms like "lakh crore" and "crore
    core" being used in modern India when our own ancestors
    were way smarter than us in using larger numbers?

    References / Footnotes

    o http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga28/yuddha_28_frame.htm

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numbering_system

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sand_Reckoner

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_large_numbers

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time

    o https://archive.org/details/TheFlowerOrnamentScriptureATranslationOfTheAvatamsakaSutraByThomasClearypdfdtyxxytd

    o http://www.storyofmathematics.com/

    o http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Chinese_numerals.html

    o http://www.universetoday.com/36302/atoms-in-the-universe/

    Dhanyavaad for posting the article

    Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.jai-maharaj

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  • From Dr. Jai Maharaj@1:229/2 to All on Sunday, January 13, 2019 23:40:13
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    From: alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com

    Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:

    In article <KQNZD.14663$wz4.9279@fx10.iad>,
    FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer <FBInCIAnNSATe...@yahoo.com> posted:

    ANCIENT INDIAN MATHEMATICIANS WERE WAY AHEAD OF THE REST OF
    THE WORLD

    http://www.pragyata.com/mag/numerical-imagination-of-ancient-india-518

    Numerical Imagination of Ancient India

    The conception of astronomical numbers by mathematicians in
    India made them stand well above the rest.

    by Abhijit Adhikari

    Introduction

    The mathematical achievements of ancient India have largely
    remained hidden, but thanks to the internet age are coming
    to the surface in recent times. Many books have been
    written about the advanced mathematics, including
    trigonometry and calculus discovered in India which reached
    Europe in the Middle Ages through the Arabs. Here, I want
    to go into an even more basic mathematical idea which turns
    out to be one of the biggest leaps of imagination also.
    This is the ancient Indian numeric system.

    Other Civilizations

    The most basic indicator of the mathematical abilities and
    imagination of any civilization is the numeric system used
    by them and the largest number which they have arrived at.
    The following are some of the numbers used by ancient
    civilizations.

    The largest number having any representation in ancient
    China was 10,000. That's it.

    Chinese wrote Ten Thousand as:

    Similarly, the largest named number for the ancient Greeks
    was a Myriad, which was 10,000. To be fair, Archimedes did
    write a paper calculating the number of sand grains in the
    universe and therefore did imagine numbers as large as
    1063, but that knowledge remained unused and quickly
    forgotten.

    Even the Romans, Persians and Egyptians never went beyond
    One Million. Roman one million:

    Egyptians wrote one million this way:

    Of course, Arabs received all knowledge from India, so they
    should not even be counted. Compared to the above numbers
    from other civilizations, ancient India went far ahead.

    Some of the largest numbers are referred to and defined in
    the Valmiki Ramayan. Valmiki defines these numbers while
    describing the size of Sri Ram's army in the Yuddha Kanda,
    (6-28-33)

    "Wise men call a Shata Shata Sahastra as a Koti. A Shata
    Sahastra Koti is reckoned as a Shanku."

    Shata is a hundred and Sahastra is a thousand. So a Koti is
    10,000,000 (10 Million) and Hundred Thousand Koti is a
    Trillion. These days, what we call as "one lakh crore" for
    lack of proper terminology, actually had a name in ancient
    times -- a "Shanku"!

    So One Shanku (1012) is basically One Trillion.

    Valmiki goes further to define even larger numbers:

    Using Shatam Sahastram (same as Laksha) as Hundred Thousand
    for easy understanding:

    Hundred Thousand Shanku = Maha Shanku = 1017
    Hundred Thousand Maha Shanku = Vrinda = 1022
    Hundred Thousand Vrinda = Maha Vrinda = 1027
    Hundred Thousand Mahavrinda = Padma = 1032
    Hundred Thousand Padma = Mahapadma = 1037
    Hundred Thousand MahaPadma = Kharva = 1042
    Hundred Thousand Kharva = Maha Kharva = 1047
    Hundred Thousand MahaKharva = Samudra = 1052
    Hundred Thousand Samudra = Augha = 1057
    Hundred Thousand Aughas = Maha Augha = 1062

    How big is Maha Augha?

    Does anyone know what 1062 is called in the modern metric
    system? Probably not, because no one uses numbers as large
    as these, except scientists working at the astronomical
    scale (counting stars and galaxies) or atomic scale while
    measuring the number of atoms in the universe.

    Yes, that's how big this number is.

    So, considering that there are 1023 stars and estimated
    1080 atoms in the known universe, that's the scale we are
    talking about. This is far far ahead of any civilization in
    all of earth's history, that came up with a numeric system.

    Even Further

    Later on, the Buddhist monks went even further. The
    Lalitavistara Sutra (a Mahayana Buddhist work) recounts a
    contest which included writing, arithmetic, wrestling and
    archery. In it the Buddha was pitted against the great
    mathematician Arjuna and showed off his numerical skills by
    citing the names of the powers of ten, up to 1
    'tallakshana', which equals 1053, but then going on to
    explain that this is just one of a series of counting
    systems that can be expanded geometrically. The last number
    at which he arrived at after going through nine successive
    counting systems was 10421, that is, a 1 followed by 421
    zeros! But he did not stop there, he actually named all the
    numbers up to that, with 10421 being called as
    "dhvajagranishamani (??????????????)". That is astounding!

    Very small numbers

    I can bet many people have no idea that ancient Indians
    were interested in very small numbers also, especially when
    defining the concept of Time.

    And so on. I am sure it must come as a surprise to many
    people that in ancient India we had names for numbers that
    went to negative powers of ten also!

    Infinity

    After naming bewilderingly large numbers, it would have
    been surprising if ancient Indians did not come up with a
    shloka or two to define Infinity.

    Om poornam-adah poornam-idah poorna-aat poornam-udachyate,
    Poorna-asya poornam-aadaaya poornam-evaa vashishyate

    That is whole, This is whole, From the whole comes the
    whole. Even if the whole is taken away from whole, still
    the wholeness remains.

    Yes. That is the exact definition of Infinity, that many of
    us use in our daily prayers!

    Where are we now?

    So, forget about using any of these numbers in our daily
    lives, the mind boggles just at the thought of the
    mathematical imagination of our forefathers. Remember,
    Ramayan and Lalita-Vistara were religious scriptures, so it
    is an ode to the mathematical genius of ancient Indians,
    that they found it very normal to define huge mathematical
    numbers even in our religious texts.

    Maybe, in those days being good in mathematics was just
    commonplace.

    Compared to this, how does it sound now, when we hear
    people using simple terms like "lakh crore" and "crore
    core" being used in modern India when our own ancestors
    were way smarter than us in using larger numbers?

    References / Footnotes

    o http://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/yuddha/sarga28/yuddha_28_frame.htm

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_numbering_system

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sand_Reckoner

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_large_numbers

    o https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_units_of_time

    o https://archive.org/details/TheFlowerOrnamentScriptureATranslationOfTheAvatamsakaSutraByThomasClearypdfdtyxxytd

    o http://www.storyofmathematics.com/

    o http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/history/HistTopics/Chinese_numerals.html

    o http://www.universetoday.com/36302/atoms-in-the-universe/

    Dhanyavaad for posting the article
    Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi Om Shanti

    Sanatan Dharm - WISDOM OF BHARAT: Spirutuality and science

    SCIENCE. HINDUS DID IT FIRST - Concepts of zero, infinity,
    numerals, etc.

    [Excerpts below from the National Geographic Magazine,
    Hinduism Today magazine, Arnold Toynbee...]

    'SCIENCE. WE DID IT FIRST'

    Vedic-Hindu principles and spirituality transcend the
    Judeo-Christian-Islamic definition of "religion", and
    contain much more -- they include the arts, sciences and
    technology:

    o Excerpt 1 - Indians originated concepts of zero, infinity, numerals
    o Excerpt 2 - 'Science. We did it first'
    o Excerpt 3 - Tachyons lose mass, energy the faster they travel
    o Excerpt 4 - Mundakopanishad, Atharv Ved: Tachyons faster than light
    o Excerpt 5 - Astronomy in ancient Bharat
    o Excerpt 6 - Knowledge of equinoxes, precession, astrology, palmistry
    o Excerpt 7 - Achievements of Vedic-Hindu sage-scientists

    Continues at:

    https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.culture.indian/rrWxaiFaH0A/vYW4Na67AgAJ

    Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
    Om Shanti
    https://tinyurl.com/jaimaharaj

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